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		<title>By: Joivre</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/c-s-lewis-and-the-doctor-3985/comment-page-1/#comment-459603</link>
		<dc:creator>Joivre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric P and Mr. Pond - who raised you two?!  Did Tolkien have two sons?  I just figured out you are two brilliant brothers with a healthy sense of humor (although Mr. Pond, you need a little help there with that fish joke ;-)).  I love it - siblings at the pub!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric P and Mr. Pond &#8211; who raised you two?!  Did Tolkien have two sons?  I just figured out you are two brilliant brothers with a healthy sense of humor (although Mr. Pond, you need a little help there with that fish joke <img src='http://thehogshead.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).  I love it &#8211; siblings at the pub!</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Mr. Pond&lt;/b&gt;, Khuzdul is the Dwarvish language.  I only remembered the first word in Gandalf&#039;s spell &quot;naur.&quot; The whole thing is &quot;naur an edraith ammem,&quot; which very, very roughly translates to &quot;fire (or flame) to save us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mr. Pond</b>, Khuzdul is the Dwarvish language.  I only remembered the first word in Gandalf&#8217;s spell &#8220;naur.&#8221; The whole thing is &#8220;naur an edraith ammem,&#8221; which very, very roughly translates to &#8220;fire (or flame) to save us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Pond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give a man a fish, he&#039;ll eat for a day.
Give a fish a man, it&#039;ll eat for weeks.

Hem, hem.  Why no, my humour isn&#039;t morbid at all...

Fricka--the words that Gandalf mutters in FoR are actually variations of elvish phrases.  Spells, apparently, were spoken in native language in Middle-Earth.  Thus, an elvish door has an elvish spell.  Presumably, magic in middle earth is bound up in the substance of language, rather than individual words.  And I think silent spells certainly play a role.  Galadriel disparages the term &#039;magic&#039; as being to broad and vague to refer to all the various sorts of power in Middle-Earth.

Tolkien, as Eric points out, actually created three functional languages (!), two related (Sindar and Quenya) and one independent (Dwarvish--forget the actualy name).  They had detailed linguistic histories.  For the Rohirrim, he used formal Anglo-Saxon.

What he would have probably detested about JKR&#039;s spells is precisely the &#039;playful&#039; aspect you mention.  He was terribly serious about language (as an Oxford professor in philology, I guess he can be excused!).

And, for all you total geeks out there--Gandalf utters a spell to light wood for a fire on Caradharas.  Geek points to you if you know what it is without peeking!  (I don&#039;t!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give a man a fish, he&#8217;ll eat for a day.<br />
Give a fish a man, it&#8217;ll eat for weeks.</p>
<p>Hem, hem.  Why no, my humour isn&#8217;t morbid at all&#8230;</p>
<p>Fricka&#8211;the words that Gandalf mutters in FoR are actually variations of elvish phrases.  Spells, apparently, were spoken in native language in Middle-Earth.  Thus, an elvish door has an elvish spell.  Presumably, magic in middle earth is bound up in the substance of language, rather than individual words.  And I think silent spells certainly play a role.  Galadriel disparages the term &#8216;magic&#8217; as being to broad and vague to refer to all the various sorts of power in Middle-Earth.</p>
<p>Tolkien, as Eric points out, actually created three functional languages (!), two related (Sindar and Quenya) and one independent (Dwarvish&#8211;forget the actualy name).  They had detailed linguistic histories.  For the Rohirrim, he used formal Anglo-Saxon.</p>
<p>What he would have probably detested about JKR&#8217;s spells is precisely the &#8216;playful&#8217; aspect you mention.  He was terribly serious about language (as an Oxford professor in philology, I guess he can be excused!).</p>
<p>And, for all you total geeks out there&#8211;Gandalf utters a spell to light wood for a fire on Caradharas.  Geek points to you if you know what it is without peeking!  (I don&#8217;t!)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite (which is a bit mean): What&#039;s the difference between a large pizza and a professional musician? A large pizza can feed a family of four.

What style of music were you thinking for this band... perhaps Heavy Mithril?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite (which is a bit mean): What&#8217;s the difference between a large pizza and a professional musician? A large pizza can feed a family of four.</p>
<p>What style of music were you thinking for this band&#8230; perhaps Heavy Mithril?</p>
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		<title>By: Joivre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joivre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  Travis - do you play the harmonica?  We should have a Hog&#039;s-Head-palooza one of these days!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  Travis &#8211; do you play the harmonica?  We should have a Hog&#8217;s-Head-palooza one of these days!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Another musician! Man, we’re taking over the pub and running amok here. &lt;/em&gt;

Actually, you should form a band and provide some music. We&#039;ve already got one wrocker in Library Lily. Perhaps another few bands, and we can have music every night.</description>
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<p>Actually, you should form a band and provide some music. We&#8217;ve already got one wrocker in Library Lily. Perhaps another few bands, and we can have music every night.</p>
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		<title>By: Joivre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joivre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Eric P. - I just saw your website.  Another musician!  Man, we&#039;re taking over the pub and running amok here.  Very cool that you are an actual, bona fide working composer.  Ok - here&#039;s a joke -

What do you call a composer who breaks up with his girlfriend?
Homeless.

Ok - another one:

What does a composer say when he gets to work?
Do you want fries with that?

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Eric P. &#8211; I just saw your website.  Another musician!  Man, we&#8217;re taking over the pub and running amok here.  Very cool that you are an actual, bona fide working composer.  Ok &#8211; here&#8217;s a joke -</p>
<p>What do you call a composer who breaks up with his girlfriend?<br />
Homeless.</p>
<p>Ok &#8211; another one:</p>
<p>What does a composer say when he gets to work?<br />
Do you want fries with that?</p>
<p> <img src='http://thehogshead.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joivre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joivre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Eric P.  That book looks interesting - I think I&#039;m going to give it a try.  I wonder what he would have thought about Klingonaase!

&lt;i&gt;&quot;You have not experienced Shakespeare, until you have read it in the original Klingon.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eric P.  That book looks interesting &#8211; I think I&#8217;m going to give it a try.  I wonder what he would have thought about Klingonaase!</p>
<p><i>&#8220;You have not experienced Shakespeare, until you have read it in the original Klingon.&#8221;</i></p>
<p> <img src='http://thehogshead.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, Tolkien of all people didn&#039;t have any problem with invented words or languages.  He even wrote an academic essay, &quot;A Secret Vice,&quot; about his lifelong hobby of constructing imaginary languages. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/7277811/About-Tolkien-or-His-Work-a-Secret-Vice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; appears to be it.) JRRT is also on record as saying the &lt;i&gt;Lord of the Rings&lt;/i&gt; is &quot;primarily linguistic in inspiration.&quot; This is even more apparent in the &lt;i&gt;Silmarillion.&lt;/i&gt;

However, I recall (without double-checking sources) that, as a philologist, Tolkien preferred made-up languages to follow the rules of language rather than simply sounding evocative. JKR scores major points in the latter but not so much (as far as I can tell) in the former.  Though she obviously isn&#039;t just creating sounds at random--there are clear echoes from Latin, Old French, etc.-- the etymologies don&#039;t seem to be there. (&quot;Haphazard abuse&quot; in my previous comment was probably too strong; &quot;Unsystematic evocation,&quot; maybe.) That doesn&#039;t bother me a bit, myself, but then I&#039;m not a fastidious professor of philology. And Tolkien&#039;s literary tastes were known to be a bit, shall we say, selective. 

The best book I know of for examining Tolkien on linguistic and literary grounds is &lt;i&gt;The Road to Middle-Earth&lt;/i&gt; by Tom Shippey. [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618257608/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=0261102753&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=15TG1PAJ032CCTS0DR19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon link.&lt;/a&gt;] Buy, read, devour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, Tolkien of all people didn&#8217;t have any problem with invented words or languages.  He even wrote an academic essay, &#8220;A Secret Vice,&#8221; about his lifelong hobby of constructing imaginary languages. (<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/7277811/About-Tolkien-or-His-Work-a-Secret-Vice" rel="nofollow">This</a> appears to be it.) JRRT is also on record as saying the <i>Lord of the Rings</i> is &#8220;primarily linguistic in inspiration.&#8221; This is even more apparent in the <i>Silmarillion.</i></p>
<p>However, I recall (without double-checking sources) that, as a philologist, Tolkien preferred made-up languages to follow the rules of language rather than simply sounding evocative. JKR scores major points in the latter but not so much (as far as I can tell) in the former.  Though she obviously isn&#8217;t just creating sounds at random&#8211;there are clear echoes from Latin, Old French, etc.&#8211; the etymologies don&#8217;t seem to be there. (&#8220;Haphazard abuse&#8221; in my previous comment was probably too strong; &#8220;Unsystematic evocation,&#8221; maybe.) That doesn&#8217;t bother me a bit, myself, but then I&#8217;m not a fastidious professor of philology. And Tolkien&#8217;s literary tastes were known to be a bit, shall we say, selective. </p>
<p>The best book I know of for examining Tolkien on linguistic and literary grounds is <i>The Road to Middle-Earth</i> by Tom Shippey. [<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618257608/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=0261102753&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=15TG1PAJ032CCTS0DR19" rel="nofollow">Amazon link.</a>] Buy, read, devour.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know that Professor Tolkien took a great interest in the international language movement.

He supported Esperanto which can be seen at http://www.tolkienbooks.net/html/esperanto.htm

Your readers may be interested in http://www.lernu.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that Professor Tolkien took a great interest in the international language movement.</p>
<p>He supported Esperanto which can be seen at <a href="http://www.tolkienbooks.net/html/esperanto.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tolkienbooks.net/html/esperanto.htm</a></p>
<p>Your readers may be interested in <a href="http://www.lernu.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.lernu.net</a></p>
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