Comments on: “Close to the Dead” – The Veil AND Stoppered Death http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/ Harry Potter News and Commentary Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:05:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Travis Prinzi http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-123032 Travis Prinzi Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:54:44 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-123032 Good point, <strong>Corey</strong>. IF there's going to be an Underworld/through the veil scene, I'm more inclined to think it'll be Harry in Book 7, rather than Dumbledore in HBP (despite my initial theory here). Good point, Corey.

IF there’s going to be an Underworld/through the veil scene, I’m more inclined to think it’ll be Harry in Book 7, rather than Dumbledore in HBP (despite my initial theory here).

]]> By: Corey http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-123020 Corey Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:41:33 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-123020 I don't think he has been through the veil because he refers to the fact that he unfortunately didn't get certain information out of people before they died and then had to run on guesswork. I don’t think he has been through the veil because he refers to the fact that he unfortunately didn’t get certain information out of people before they died and then had to run on guesswork.

]]> By: HogwartsProfessor.com » Blog Archive » Harry's Hero Journey: Is He Going Through the Veil in Deathly Hallows? http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-117443 HogwartsProfessor.com » Blog Archive » Harry's Hero Journey: Is He Going Through the Veil in Deathly Hallows? Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:35:05 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-117443 [...] misdirection in Half-Blood Prince (yes, for me at least that would mean Scar-O-Scope or SOS). Travis Prinzi and others have contributed fascinating ideas between and differing from Hans’ and my [...] [...] misdirection in Half-Blood Prince (yes, for me at least that would mean Scar-O-Scope or SOS). Travis Prinzi and others have contributed fascinating ideas between and differing from Hans’ and my [...]

]]> By: minihaha http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-113632 minihaha Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:18:07 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-113632 Didn't JKR say that we would find something out about that broken mirror that Sirius supposedly had with him when he went through the veil? Maybe Harry will be in contact with Sirius in some way. Maybe that is what JKR is refering to when she comments on how close you can get to the dead. I'm still waiting for the explanation of Sirius's mysterious death through the veil. Didn’t JKR say that we would find something out about that broken mirror that Sirius supposedly had with him when he went through the veil? Maybe Harry will be in contact with Sirius in some way. Maybe that is what JKR is refering to when she comments on how close you can get to the dead. I’m still waiting for the explanation of Sirius’s mysterious death through the veil.

]]> By: Travis Prinzi http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-113243 Travis Prinzi Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:07:15 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-113243 <strong>Lawtrix</strong>, I'm rather sure Aberforth will have a role to play in DH. The quote in context, however, must be a reference to Albus, 'cause Radcliffe said, "I thought he was dead," to which Rowling responded, "Yeah, but it's more complicated than that" (rough paraphrase). It's not like she's kept it a big secret that Aberforth is a Dumbledore, so I don't think she was just evading his reference to Albus. Lawtrix, I’m rather sure Aberforth will have a role to play in DH. The quote in context, however, must be a reference to Albus, ’cause Radcliffe said, “I thought he was dead,” to which Rowling responded, “Yeah, but it’s more complicated than that” (rough paraphrase). It’s not like she’s kept it a big secret that Aberforth is a Dumbledore, so I don’t think she was just evading his reference to Albus.

]]> By: Lawtrix http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-113240 Lawtrix Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:04:58 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-113240 Well... about what JKRowling said about Dumbledore giving her trouble, we all are thinking about Albus Dumbledore, and maybe its Aberforth the one that is getting to do something in the story, he is also Dumbledore... Well… about what JKRowling said about Dumbledore giving her trouble, we all are thinking about Albus Dumbledore, and maybe its Aberforth the one that is getting to do something in the story, he is also Dumbledore…

]]> By: korg20000bc http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-112517 korg20000bc Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:33:43 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-112517 Personally, I don't think Harry will go seeking knowledge from the spirit world. I think that this is against the Christian world-view that Rowling has been presenting. It sounds too much like Saul and Johnathan. Harry may have to travel there or be transported there to perform a task, and it will be enlightening to him, but I doubt the purpose will be just to communicate with someone. Matthew Personally, I don’t think Harry will go seeking knowledge from the spirit world. I think that this is against the Christian world-view that Rowling has been presenting. It sounds too much like Saul and Johnathan. Harry may have to travel there or be transported there to perform a task, and it will be enlightening to him, but I doubt the purpose will be just to communicate with someone.

Matthew

]]> By: Reyhan http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-112491 Reyhan Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:03:37 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-112491 Well, Travis, it is an interesting idea. But as we agreed earlier, it was probably not a case of going repeatedly through the veil at the Ministry of Magic. I think going through the veil has to be a unique experience. As does coming back out. Otherwise it becomes trivialized. I think that particular experience will be reserved for Harry. I would be more inclined to think that if Dumbledore was in some kind of mid-way state between life and death, he'd be more aware of the spirits of the dead, but he wouldn't be holding interviews, as it were. What is also interesting to me is the nature of the connection between the Headmasters and the Founders of Hogwarts. Is there some special bond, or affinity or way of communicating? I do think, btw, that Dumbledore had more knowledge than he could impart to Harry. How that's going to be passed on will probably form a big part of the plot of book 7. Because to my mind, the back and forth between the living and the dead has to have a purpose, and I can see two purposes: for Dumbledore to pass to Harry knowledge he didn't have time to share before his death; or for Harry to get knowledge which he needs to defeat Voldemort from the Founders. Which brings me back to JKR's statement about DD giving her trouble in book 7. If we assume that DD has knowledge he needs to share with Harry, his memory trace (whether it's at the end of Snape's wand or in his portrait) can't pass it on. So Harry would have to seek out his spirit. But at the same time, he would be interacting with his memory trace in the portrait. So there will potentially be two Dumbledores to write. Interesting dilemma. Well, Travis, it is an interesting idea. But as we agreed earlier, it was probably not a case of going repeatedly through the veil at the Ministry of Magic. I think going through the veil has to be a unique experience. As does coming back out. Otherwise it becomes trivialized. I think that particular experience will be reserved for Harry.

I would be more inclined to think that if Dumbledore was in some kind of mid-way state between life and death, he’d be more aware of the spirits of the dead, but he wouldn’t be holding interviews, as it were.

What is also interesting to me is the nature of the connection between the Headmasters and the Founders of Hogwarts. Is there some special bond, or affinity or way of communicating?

I do think, btw, that Dumbledore had more knowledge than he could impart to Harry. How that’s going to be passed on will probably form a big part of the plot of book 7. Because to my mind, the back and forth between the living and the dead has to have a purpose, and I can see two purposes: for Dumbledore to pass to Harry knowledge he didn’t have time to share before his death; or for Harry to get knowledge which he needs to defeat Voldemort from the Founders.

Which brings me back to JKR’s statement about DD giving her trouble in book 7. If we assume that DD has knowledge he needs to share with Harry, his memory trace (whether it’s at the end of Snape’s wand or in his portrait) can’t pass it on. So Harry would have to seek out his spirit. But at the same time, he would be interacting with his memory trace in the portrait. So there will potentially be two Dumbledores to write.

Interesting dilemma.

]]> By: Rena http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-112431 Rena Sun, 01 Jul 2007 22:40:00 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-112431 “Close to Death” reminds me of the research of Raymond A. Moody about near-death experiences, fear of death and afterlife. The foreword of his book “Life after Life” was written by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, to whom (as seriously_black pointed at in another thread) JKR referred in that famous interview when speaking of the “five stages of grief” and helping us to “get past denial” of Dumbledore’s death. So she could well be acquainted with Moody’s work as well. He also offers a technique of “mirror gazing” to get in contact with departed loved ones. I wonder if this could lead to something. “Close to Death” reminds me of the research of Raymond A. Moody about near-death experiences, fear of death and afterlife. The foreword of his book “Life after Life” was written by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, to whom (as seriously_black pointed at in another thread) JKR referred in that famous interview when speaking of the “five stages of grief” and helping us to “get past denial” of Dumbledore’s death. So she could well be acquainted with Moody’s work as well. He also offers a technique of “mirror gazing” to get in contact with departed loved ones.

I wonder if this could lead to something.

]]> By: korg20000bc http://thehogshead.org/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death-408/comment-page-1/#comment-112416 korg20000bc Sun, 01 Jul 2007 22:28:39 +0000 http://swordofgryffindor.com/2007/07/01/close-to-the-dead-the-veil-and-stoppered-death/#comment-112416 Well that's interesting. It would take care of the necessary elements. I wonder what Dumbledore was doing on the other side of the veil? He wasn't collecting memories, he only got them from alive people. Was he getting advice from the Hogwarts founders? Said "Suck eggs!" to Grindlewald? Were pieces of Voldemorts soul that had been in the destroyed horcruxes already on the other side? Matthew Well that’s interesting.

It would take care of the necessary elements.

I wonder what Dumbledore was doing on the other side of the veil? He wasn’t collecting memories, he only got them from alive people. Was he getting advice from the Hogwarts founders? Said “Suck eggs!” to Grindlewald? Were pieces of Voldemorts soul that had been in the destroyed horcruxes already on the other side?

Matthew

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