Deathly Hallows: Rowling’s “Totally Bastard Mythology”

by Travis Prinzi on December 30, 2006

HP7.jpegThe following material also appears in podcast form in Hog’s Head PubCast #11.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Arthurian Legend link is the best starting place when thinking about the Deathly Hallows. At least that’s where I’m going to go for now. I was initially attracted to the HP Prognostications theory about “deathly hallows” being the magic that saved Harry, but to borrow a phrase my father-in-law always uses, “That dog won’t hunt.” If somebody could conjure “Deathly Hallows” magic to die at the hands of Voldemort for the protection of the entire world, Dumbledore surely would have taken this upon himself.

I present to you here what is by no means the final word on “Deathly Hallows,” but a collection of as many of the background materials as I could find that would inform an understanding of “deathly hallows.” This is intended to be a sort of Master Collection of where we’re at so far in thinking about this, a week after the title was revealed. I am greatly indebted to a lot of research that is already done, particularly by John Granger, Felicity, and Muggle Matters, and you will find a multiplicity of links to theirs and other sources embedded in this post that develop these thoughts further.

Rowling and the “Totally Bastard Mythology”
I think it best to stick with theories that are rooted in great literature – literature that we know Rowling has read and appreciates. Rowling has a tremendous way of taking mythology and contorting it into new ways to fit her brilliant world. Read Rowling’s words from an interview with Stephen Fry (audio linked here):

I’ve taken horrible liberties with folklore and mythology, but I’m quite unashamed about that, because British folklore and British mythology is a totally bastard mythology. You know, we’ve been invaded by people, we’ve appropriated their gods, we’ve taken their mythical creatures, and we’ve soldered them all together to make, what I would say, is one of the richest folklores in the world, because it’s so varied.

There you have it: she takes mythology and makes it her own, because British mythology is already “totally bastard” (great phrase). She’s not using that in a derogatory sense: she calls it “one of the richest folklores in the world.” And Rowling’s new twists just add to the richness.

So I think it’s safe to say that the baseline for speculating about the Deathly Hallows has got to be Arthurian legend. What more prominent British mythology/folklore is there than that? And she’s already employed it significantly. Over a year ago, I read just the first volume of Howard Pyle’s telling of the Arthurian legends, and found these links (noted by others as well; John Granger had tipped me off to the ceiling parallel). There’s even similar symbolism used, like the white stag (direct reference to the Arthurian legend in that link) and the gryffin.

We could easily note all the direct references to Arthurian legend, particularly to Merlin, who, it seems evident, is considered not just an object of mythology, but a real historical wizard (Order of Merlin, “Merlin’s beard”) in the Harry Potter series. Of course, we’re never told anything about him in particular; no references are made to his lifetime or actions (Merlin did this, Merlin lived then, etc.). Nevetheless, it seems evident that Merlin is part of wizarding history in the Harry Potter world. There are also multiple ties between the Weasley family and Arthurian legend, not least the kingly names of all the males (ahem…Arthur, in particular), and Ginny (which is short for Ginevra, which is an alternate spelling of Guinevere).

Speaking of the White Stag and the Arthurian legends, there’s one more important author who used both of these elements in his writing: C.S. Lewis. The white stag plays a role in getting the Pevensies back to England (the hunt for the white stag is medieval Christ imagery) in the Narnia series, and in the Space Trilogy, Merlin himself actually enters the story. The third book, That Hideous Strength, is based on the premise that it has been discovered that Merlin is real and his body is being sought (he is to come back to life); Ransom, the key character of the series, is the new “Pendragon.” In typical Lewis fashion, the “truth myth” of Jesus finds expression in British mythology – for Lewis, the mythology that ranks second behind the Jesus story.

In other words, here’s what I’m saying: Both Rowling and Lewis have deliberately employed Arthurian legend, which is also rooted in similar symbolism. Rowling, Lewis, and traditional Arthur tales are woven together with the same thread, so to speak. They’re telling similar stories in different ways. And both Rowling and Lewis have a high regard for British mythology.

Lewis’ Door in Last Battle and Rowling’s Veil
Let’s return now to just after the release of Half-Blood Prince. She’s pulled off the impossible; she’s written a book 6 of 7 that leaves us with as many questions (or more!) for book 7 than when we started – an incredibly difficult feat. Yet the theories began flying, and even Rowling has admitted to coming across a few that made her fear she’d given the ending away. And there’s no fear greater in Rowling’s mind, whose goal it is to surprise us like Austen did in Emma. So a very odd article comes out in Time: an interview with Lev Grossman, who is all too happy to point out that Rowling is really a Lewis-hater in disguise and everything a Christian would hate anyway.

Ok, perhaps that’s overstating the case. But let’s look at the relevant passage:

Rowling has never finished The Lord of the Rings. She hasn’t even read all of C.S. Lewis’ Narnia novels, which her books get compared to a lot. There’s something about Lewis’ sentimentality about children that gets on her nerves. “There comes a point where Susan, who was the older girl, is lost to Narnia because she becomes interested in lipstick. She’s become irreligious basically because she found sex,” Rowling says. “I have a big problem with that.”

I’ll be blunt: I’m really skeptical about Grossman’s reporting here. Three things: (1) We don’t have direct quotes on the claims about not finishing Lord of the Rings or Narnia, (2) Rowling adores the Lewis books, and (3) Rowling said she read Lord of the Rings when she was nineteen (interview here, HT to Felicity). And there’s actually a fourth reason: the part where Susan is “lost to Narnia” comes at the very end of Book 7. Either she’s just copying an argument that she’s heard before (Philip Pullman and others have entirely misunderstood this passage; listen to PubCast #3 for my take on it), or Grossman has incorrectly reported her having never finished Narnia.

Wanna know what else happens right there in that very spot where we learn Susan is lost to Narnia? Aslan makes a door between Narnia and the afterlife. Can any say “Veil”? We are going to return to that Veil in the Department of Mysteries, right? And what if she got at least some of her inspiration for said veil from The Last Battle? And what if she didn’t want us to know that?

Lots of what ifs, to be sure, but check out Felicity’s theory on the potential significance of the Veil (which is related to her thoughts on hallows…this is a post about hallows, remember?):

The phrase “deathly hallows” is a particularly good description for the Horcruxes themselves since the soul itself is a holy thing, but Voldemort has torn his and encased each soul fragment in an object to create a Horcrux, “wickedest of magical inventions.” The Horcruxes are examples of something good that has been perverted to an evil purpose, and Voldemort has effectively killed his humanity by making them.
For Harry, the destroyed Horcruxes will each be a type of “hallow” in the sense of a reward for a successful Horcrux hunt.

In the sense of the meaning “to make holy,” the successive destruction of Voldemort’s Horcruxes will possibly cause the soul fragments to reunite behind the Veil (my theory), which will ultimately make Voldemort’s spirit whole again when the seventh part of his soul residing in his maimed body is released.

Fascinating. Simply fascinating. Which brings us back around to what hallows are. We established credible and strong links between Rowling’s world, which is a beautiful mythological creation rooted in British folklore, a tradition of merged mythologies (“totally bastard”), and Lewis’ own employment of said mythologies. The Arthurian legends have been demonstrated to be central both in Lewis’ writing (particuarly the Space Trilogy) and Rowling’s.

As has already been noted here, Book 7 of the Harry Potter series is not the first appearance of something called “Hallows” in British mythology. There are actually thirteen “Hallows of Britain,” and hallows were typically employed in Arthurian legend in fours (sword, spear, cup, pentacle; also crown, stone).

By the way, it’s no surprise that one of Harry’s key magical objects is the invisibility cloak, since the “Mantle of Arthur” is a “Hallow of Britain” that “makes the wearer invisible to any observer”. Perhaps in Rowling’s mind, the “mantle” of Arthurian mythology has fallen upon a boy wizard, in whom, in a sense, both Arthur and Merlin are combined (though, strictly speaking, Dumbledore is the “Wise Old Man” archetype, the Merlin figure).

Hallows and Relics
Obviously you see where this is going: the Founders’ Relics. There are a few options. Let’s first look at what we know. The “sword” is obvious: Gryffindor. The “cup” is obvious: Hufflepuff. The “pentacle” refers to an amulet, hence, Slytherin’s locket. This leaves us with Ravenclaw: my money would be on “crown” – tiara; or, alternately, a wand, corresponding to the spear, which would fit the tarot connection (see below).

But this is still too simple. “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows” does not mean “Harry Potter and the Horcruxes,” or there would be no mystery to the title; and there’s always mystery to the title. This is where Gryffindor’s sword is important: it’s not a horcrux. It appears Voldemort never did succeed in getting relics from every Founder. And this might just be really significant.

Recall young Tom Riddle’s conversations with Hepzibah Smith. When old lady Smith talked about the relics, she spoke of them having great magical powers. What powers? And why did they have them?

What if non-horcruxed relics contain some sort of magical power that is deeply significant to the plot? Sort of a good-magic that combats the tainted and distorted horcruxed relics? Or what if any relic, once it is de-horcruxed, contains magical powers significant to the plot?

Let’s ask a different question that might inform our thinking here: What other story is Lewis, Pyle, and Rowling telling? The Christian story. And what has been a rather large part of the Christian story? Relics. Both Eastern and Western traditions of Christianity have affirmed the importance of relics. Relics are “part of the body or clothes, remaining as a memorial of a departed saint” (see article at Catholic Encyclopedia). A relic can also be an object closely associated with the departed saint (Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church). There was never a realm of Christianity in which relics played a more prominent role than in Celtic Christianity (and the four Grail Hallows originate in Celtic mythology, originally as the “Treasures of Tuatha du Danaan”: sword, spear, cauldron, and stone).

Of course, the point of the relic is not magical power; branches of Christian theology that believe in relics do not believe they are inherently magical, but that the “magic” (to use that word loosely) comes in what they point to: the dead saint. The relics are not ends in themselves. The real reason that the Grail is the mother of all Hallows in mythology, and supposed pieces of the cross are the mothers of all relics in history, is that they both point to the supreme figure of both mythology and Christian theology: Jesus Christ.

Hence, if the relics are important to the Harry Potter plot, they are important because they point to the Founders. Now we need to talk about graveyards.

Graveyard Speculation
Perhaps the most important early relics in Christian history are the tombs of the martyrs, where many miracles were said to have occurred. Felicity has a quote from Cuaron, the director of Prisoner of Azkaban, that is relevant to our speculation here:

Alfonso Cuaron: We needed a place where the kids could see the execution of Buckbeak, and we thought about having a graveyard. And we consulted Jo about it and she said “No, the graveyard is not there,” and I said “Why?” And then she gave me the whole explanation of why the graveyard cannot be there, because it’s in a different place of the castle. Because it’s going to play…and she knows her thing, she knows exactly what’s going to happen later. And once I remember having little people in some storyboards, playing some keyboards and an organ in the Great Hall. And Jo said “No, there are no little people in this universe.” I said “Yes, it’s like…” she says, “Yes, lovely image, but they don’t make sense in this universe.”

But what is the purpose of the graveyard? McGonagall informs us in HBP that headmasters and headmistresses were not buried at Hogwarts; if they weren’t, neither were teachers. I think Felicity’s speculation is right on the mark: at least three of the Hogwarts founders may very well be buried on the grounds. I’m not even opposed to the possibility that Slytherin wanted his body transported back there.

Felicity also notes that a burial place in Lord of the Rings is referred to as “the Hallows.” It is a burial place that (a) is only open to those bearing the “token of the tombs” and (b) reserved only for Gondor royalty. I’m not going reproduce all of Felicity’s speculation here, but you must go read it. No, really – you must.

Let’s transport the Hallows of LotR into the Hallows of Hogwarts, assuming it’s a burial place: It is a burial place that (a) is only open to those bearing the proper “token of the tombs,” which, in this case, would be a Founder’s relic, and (b) reserved only for the Hogwarts Founders. As Felicity notes, Harry’s needing something special (knowledge, skills, etc.) in order to descend to a certain place (figurative death) is part of every book thus far. It’s highly like the figurative death (and resurrection) will center around the “deathly hallows,” and in particular if it turns out to be a graveyard. The idea of needing a certain token to get in ties in the relics nicely.

While I doubt she’ll take that path directly, as it would be kind of evident that she was borrowing straight from LotR (unless there’s a parallel in Norse mythology of which I am unaware), nevertheless, the significance of the relics will lie in their pointing to the Founders themselves.

And since the Founders are all dead, their graveyard is as good a candidate as any for a hallowed place that relates to death. In this sense, the Deathly Hallows would refer both to the relics (and remaining therefore solidly in the tradition of British mythology) and the graveyard, because the relics would, in effect, point us to the graveyard.

Lewis and Alchemy

Before finishing up, we have to backtrack to Lewis one more time. There is one other amazing parallel between Rowling’s and Lewis’ use of Arthurian legend. I’ve already noted that Lewis’ most blatant use of Arthurian legend is found in his Space Trilogy, the third of which is rooted in the Arthur story. But there is another key to understanding Lewis’ Space Trilogy, which turns out to also be a key to understanding Harry Potter: literary alchemy.

One of my first-ever posts here at SoG was an explanation of alchemy in Perelandra, the second book of the Space Trilogy, and a comparison of that to Harry Potter. In short, both Rowling and Lewis are telling stories and incorporate, and to some extent re-invent, the Arthurian legends, and they’re telling those stories with an alchemical framework.

John Granger has done significantly helpful work on literary alchemy in Harry Potter, and his post on the Deathly Hallows takes a look at the title from the alchemical point of view. I commend the entire post to your careful consideration (once again, you must read it), but I’ll draw out some of the important points here.

In very brief form: alchemy deals in seven stages with a set of four that can be united in the “quinta essentia.” Put into Harry Potter terms, the seven books are the seven stages of alchemy, the seventh of which involves the divided fours (four Hogwarts houses, four magical brethren) into one central unifying place (Harry Potter himself). In alchemy, it’s the four elements: earth, water, fire, air. Rowling has already confirmed four us that the four houses “correspond roughly” to these four elements: Gryffindor=fire, Hufflepuff=earth, Slytherin=water, Ravenclaw=air. Granger quotes Rowling:

But [the Slytherins are] not all bad. They literally are not all bad. [Pause] Well, the deeper answer, the non-flippant answer, would be that you have to embrace all of a person, you have to take them with their flaws, and everyone’s got them. It’s the same way with the student body. If only they could achieve perfect unity and wholeness that means that they keep that quarter of the school that maybe does not encapsulate the most generous and noble qualities, in the hope, in the very Dumbledore-esque hope that they will achieve harmony. Harmony is the word.

“Harmony” is the word, and Harry is that alchemical “quinta essentia” in which the four houses must find harmony. (Note the phrase “Dumbledore-eqsue.” Dumbledore has been the master alchemist throughout the series, and Harry is his “philospher’s stone,” the end product of alchemy).

Some will also be reminded of the link to Tarot here (if you had not already been reminded of it upon hearing of the Grail Hallows above). Indeed, there are four Tarot suits, and they correspond to the Grail Hallows: swords, wands, cups, coins (coin being the “pentacle” or “amulet”). In fact, they may have been derived from Celtic and British mythology; see this essay at HP Lexicon). And hence, we have come full circle back around to Grail mythology.

Trying to Make Sense of it All
But what does all this mean, and what can we speculate from it? We can say this: Rowling has brilliantly put together a multiplicity of sources and blended them into her own story: Celtic mythology, British/Arthurian legend, Christian history/theology, Tarot cards, alchemy, and more: a truly “totally bastard mythology,” but a wonderful and rich one nonetheless.
One thing is certain: Rowling is not going to make her “hallows” a direct parallel to any of the ideas here. In other words, she’s not going to simply remove the hallows from Arthurian legend and stick them directly into her story, unchanged. Relics in Harry Potter are not going to function exactly as they do in Christian theology.

No, she’ll take a little from here, a little from there, introduce her own ideas, and make it fit her own world. My next moves are to go pick up Volumes 2 and 3 of Howard Pyle’s Arthurian tales and to revisit the conclusion of Lewis’ Perelandra and the relevant portions of That Hideous Strength.

But no matter what I find, Rowling’s creativity and her own way of using the mythology will keep us all in the dark. I agree entirely with John Granger here:

We won’t know what Deathly Hallows refers to until the seventh book is published. It’s fun to speculate and said speculation can throw light on the meaning of the series, but let’s not kid ourselves about our ability to figure this out ‘for sure.’ That ain’t happening.

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1 FelicityNo Gravatar December 30, 2006 at 9:34 pm

I love it, Travis!!!

You’ve done a marvelous job of tying it all together because I agree with you that Rowling could well be drawing on all these sources and yet will manage to surprise us with a twist of her own.

I was thinking about GG’s sword yesterday and wondering if it was in the grave/tomb/whatever with his remains until the Sorting Hat (which was Gryffindor’s own hat) produced it for Harry (and Harry’s pulling it out of the Hat was a very Arthurian act as you’ve mentioned before). If the sword had been in the grave until that time, it would explain why Harry didn’t mention seeing the sword on the shelf next to the Hat earlier in Chamber of Secrets. But after his defeat of the basilisk, the silver, ruby-encrusted sword was in a glass case next to the Sorting Hat on the same shelf. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t there earlier, but it’s hard to imagine how it could have failed to catch Harry’s eye when he was looking around Dumbledore’s office and spotted the Hat. And that would explain how Dumbledore was so certain Voldemort had never turned the sword into a Horcrux (because the tomb/burial ground is well-hidden, known to only a few, and not easily accessed, so Dumbledore knew Voldemort never found out about it).

In fact, not to change the subject, but I was also thinking of how Harry acted in the Chamber. When he first saw Ginny, he believed the basilisk had taken her into the CoS, but he threw aside his wand and went to her side (only concerned with her well-being, even unto stupidity). When he was unarmed and facing Diarymort (who had picked up Harry’s wand), Harry didn’t humor Diarymort but instead declared that Dumbledore was the greatest wizard, not Voldemort. And when the basilisk has been released, Harry did not unconsciously begin to command the snake in Parseltongue (when it might have helped him to save himself) as he had during the duel when Draco’s snake turned on Justin (when Harry’s interest was in helping another).

Doesn’t this make you think of the scene in OP22 when Phineas said “I thought that to belong in Gryffindor House you were supposed to be brave? It looks to me as though you would have been much better off in my own house. We Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. For instance, given the choice, we will always choose to save our own necks.”

There was not a whiff of Slytherin in Harry’s actions in the Cos, and Dumbledore later told Harry that only a “true Gryffindor” could have pulled the sword out of the Sorting Hat. My point, now that I’m completely off the topic of your wonderful post? Harry’s actions in the CoS seem to offer more evidence to me that Harry is not an accidental Horcrux. If ever there was a time when Harry’s ability to speak Parseltongue would have been prompted by the self-preservation of a part of Voldemort’s soul in Harry, it was in the Cos. But it was Harry’s Gryffindor qualities that saved the day, and it was Gryffindor’s power that aided Harry, not Slytherin’s.

So I love your idea that the sword could be a “token” by which Harry gets into the Hallows/graveyard. And now for the big questions: What will happen there? Will Voldemort find out about it, too?

Thanks so much for writing this. I’m going to listen to the podcast soon!

2 FelicityNo Gravatar December 30, 2006 at 10:42 pm

PS

If you think about it, there was a type of hallow (“calling out”) in play in the Cos both in Gryffindor’s answer—the sword—and in Harry’s plea—‘help me, help me’.

Glad you think there’s something to the “making Voldemort whole again” theme. I meant to add in my LJ post that this plays along with Harry’s wand wood (holly), which is associated with resurrection, holiness (holy is a variant spelling of holly in the OED), evergreen, eternal life, etc.

Thanks again for a great post!!

3 ChristinaNo Gravatar January 2, 2007 at 12:19 pm

I may have missed it in the information above, with my 4 year-old trying to fix my hair as I type (quite painfully, I might add), but I certainly see a parallel between the veil in the Ministry and the Holy of Holies in the Bible. After Christ’s death, the veil in the Holy of Holies was ripped apart, signaling the ability of ANY man to approach the presence of God, whereas before, only the high priests could enter. I feel that there will be an event (likely a death or the reuniting of the portions of LV’s soul) that will cause something to happen to the veil in the Ministry. I know that is an extremely vague prediction, quite worthy of Madam Trelawney herself…”I feel that there will be a significant event that may cause SOMETHING to happen…” but the main thing I wanted to mention was the Holy of Holies in the Bible. Thanks for bearing with me! And you should see my hair right now!!

4 TuckerNo Gravatar February 2, 2007 at 2:15 am

Awesome! Amazing content and thought put into this. I had speculated most of the Authurian mythology into the HP series, but I did not take into account the sword being a possible “key” for Harry not the alchemy portion. Also, a theory to what might happen behind the veil, Sirius disappeared in OofP, perhaps he will make a return at the end? Again, great writings, love the work.

5 ChristinaNo Gravatar February 7, 2007 at 1:52 pm

A little off the subject, but there one thing I wanted to say while re-reading OotP…when Bellatrix is trying to kill Sirius, the flash of light from her wand is RED, not green like the Avada Kedavra. However, it dies say there is a second light, but it does not give the color (I assume it is still red because, typically, JKR makes it a point to say that the light was green when the Avada Kedvra was used). It points out in the same chapter that Harry’s stunning spell creates a RED light. When Bellatrix caused Sirius to fall behind the curtain in the MoM, could he just have been stunned, and not killed?

6 ReyhanNo Gravatar February 7, 2007 at 3:59 pm

After Sirius Black falls back through the archway, Lupin tells Harry that Sirius can’t come back.
Later on, Nearly Headless Nick tells him the same thing, that he will not come back and that he will have “gone on.” And Dumbledore speaks of him in the past tense.

And Dumbledore himself has told Harry (I think it was in HP2) that people don’t come back from death.

It sounds pretty conclusive.

But. If Sirius Black was stunned as you say, and not killed, would falling through the veil mean that he was necessarily dead?

On a completely irrelevant riff, I’m reminded of Monty Python’s Meaning of Life. Remember the dinner party guest who had to follow Death with the others, even though, as he muttered, he hadn’t eaten the salmon mousse? And even further back, in the Holy Grail, the elderly man who exclaims “I’m not dead yet!”

Did Sirius go the other side without dying?

And working with the inherent possibilities, if Harry, say, were to walk through the veil, would he be dead? Or would he simply find himself in another place, as it were. One from which returning might be quite difficult, but not impossible.

A place called Deathly Hallows?

7 Ms. JanNo Gravatar February 7, 2007 at 11:01 pm

Oooh, Reyhan. I do believe you’re on to something. What you’re pondering makes sense to me. I need to think on this a bit before responding at length, though. Uh huh…Deathly Hallows.

8 ReyhanNo Gravatar February 7, 2007 at 11:51 pm

Hey Ms. J.

I don’t think “Deathly Hallows” is a place. I think they’re people. Dead people, to be exact.

I decided to do a bit of research. Not nearly as far ranging as Travis; just a short walk to the New Oxford Dictionary.

The word “deathly” means “suggestive of or resembling death” and in the archaic, peoetic or literary sense “causing death”. The word “hallow” means “saint” or “holy person” or (from Wikipedia) “martyr”.

So using the literary sense of the word “deathly”, what “Deathly Hallows” literally means is “Saintly Death Dealers”.

Say what?

I think – and I could really be off here – I think that what JK means are the dead founders of the four houses of Hogwarts. Msrs and Ms Slytherin, Gryffindor, Huffelpuff and Ravenclaw. Which, without the alchemy, is what Travis is saying above.

So we have to ask ourselves. What would make Harry cross to the other side? Who is he looking for? His parents? Sirius Black? Dumbledore? Or is he in fact looking for the Deathly Hallows of the title?

Someone asked JK what other titles she thought of for HP7. She said that if she told us, she’d be giving too much away.

I bet one of them was “Harry Sees Dead People”

9 ChristinaNo Gravatar February 8, 2007 at 9:41 am

Yeaayyyy…I am so glad that some people think there may be soemthing to my theory that Sirius did not die before falling behind the veil. And I TOTALLY think that Harry will have to journey behind the veil to find some answers; either that or he will use the two-way mirror that Sirius gave him to communicate with him behind the veil (if that is possible).

10 Jim GobleNo Gravatar April 12, 2007 at 10:21 pm

If there is to be any communication between Harry and the dead, Luna Lovegood will, I think. be instrumental. She was able to hear the voices behind the veil. Watch Luna.

11 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 12:18 am

I was reading through another thread (Defending Dumbledore, Part 2) when I came upon a comment by S_B: Voldemort’s possession of Harry at the Ministry ended when Harry thought of Sirius Black. S_B’s interpretation of this was that it was the love Harry felt which was inimical to old Snake Eyes. That’s when I had a sudden flash of insight.

What actually happened at that moment in the Ministry is that Harry stopped being afraid of death and thought of it as a welcome fate, not just because the pain would stop, but because he would see Sirius.

What is it that Voldemort is most afraid of? Death. In fact, that is what his boggart would most likely look like.

Is it possible that he has no power over someone who is not afraid of death?

So it’s not love per se, but the power love gives over death, which can destroy him?

Let’s look at some other evidence.

Dumbledore has said that death is not the worst thing that can happen to you. And even told Voldemort that. In HBP, it seems very much as if Dumbledore accepts his impending death. At the end, in the scene at the Astronomy Tower, it seems to me that he embraces it. Not being afraid to die would be the one thing that would free him from Voldemort’s power, if he was in some way under it. I believe that during the hunt for the horcruxes, Dumbledore was somehow touched by evil, and the only way to free himself of it was by walking without fear into death.

The other piece of “evidence”, if you can call it that, is the death of Lily Potter. She gladly gave her life to save her son. She was not afraid of death. Her lack of fear was so inimical to Voldemort that he was almost destroyed in killing her.

If you accept this line of reasoning, then Voldemort could only be destroyed by someone who was willing to die. And I dearly hope that I’m wrong in this – Voldemort would be destroyed in the act of killing someone who was not afraid to die.

I was wondering, in my earlier post, what would make Harry go through the veil. I think now that one possible answer is that the only way he can defeat Voldemort is by willingly stepping through the veil, knowing that he won’t come back.

I have always enjoyed JKR’s Dickensian wit in naming her characters. But in naming her villain, she topped even herself: the word Voldemort literally means “flight from death” in French. In order to defeat Voldemort, one would have to do his opposite: flee into death.

Cool.

12 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 9:17 am

I am running with the idea that in order to defeat evil – Voldemort – Harry will have to transcend death. And in order to do this, he will have to embrace death in some fashion. Most likely, by going through the veil, from which no one has ever returned.

But there are other possibilities. Someone might sacrifice themselves. And like Kate on another thread, I think it might be Ron because he’s already made the commitment to do just that, in the first book. Just like he let the Black Queen “destroy” him so Harry could go on to save the Philosopher’s Stone from Voldemort, he might let Voldemort kill him so Harry can destroy Voldemort.

The associations with the Christian myth are overwhelming. Both Psalm 23 and Christ’s answer to Martha on the occasion of Lazarus’ death are ringing through my ears. The only thing that keeps me from drawing a direct link between Lazarus and Sirius Black is fear of blasphemy.

13 seriously_blackNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 9:20 am

Interesting thoughts, Reyhan.

I do agree that there is a relationship between the capacity for love and the acceptance of death – both of which seem to be a problem for Voldemort. You may be right that it was as much Harry’s willingness to embrace death as his capacity for love per se that was so destabilising for Voldemort.

The proposition that Harry has to sacrifice himself in death in order to destroy Voldemort has a certain poetry to it. However it may present some problems for the storyline, since it seems to contradict the prophecy (“…for neither can live while the other survives”) – which carries the implication that Harry can live if Voldemort dies. Thus it could only work if Harry can return from death – which would run counter the the theme of the finality of death that Rowling has said is one of the underpinnings of the series.

I’m also not confident of the translation. From the French, Vol de mort (actually “Vol de la mort”) translates most directly as “Flight of Death”. Since there is no determinacy preposition in French, the the same construction could be used to represent “Flight from Death” – so the inflection or nuance of the translation is not fully resolved. Nevertheless it is intriguing to ponder, as I’m sure was Rowling’s intent.

14 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 10:11 am

S_B, I asked a friend who is fluent in French about the translation of Voldemort.

Like you, he says that either “flight from death” or “flight of death” would be correct, and that only JKR would know which one she meant.

However, he suggests another possibility (which came to me too, last night): vol can be translated as flight/escape or as theft.

Theft of death? Theft from death?

Anyway you look at it, Snake Eyes has issues with Death. That is his biggest weakness (well, that and his inacapacity to love, which is the only thing that can overcome death). And that will be his downfall.

15 seriously_blackNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 10:35 am

If one takes a slight liberty by making it:

“stolen from death”

(which would, in fact, be “volé de la mort”)

…then the name seems to rather eerily echo the Horcrux phenomenon.

However that may be reading more into it than was intended. Certainly I believe you’re correct about the death reference, and I’d guess that the ambiguity (of/from) was part of the author’s purpose. If there is any more to it, then perhaps it will be made clear with the release of the final book.

16 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 11:18 pm

S_B, going back to your earlier point, I’m not sure that walking through the veil in the Death Chamber would be the same as dying. If you walked in, you might be able to walk out. Like Orpheus’ descent into the Underworld. So Harry might be able to come back from that.

Looking further into Voldemort’s fixation with death, what do we make of the name he has chosen for his followers? What does it mean, to be a Death Eater?

The only association that comes to my mind is the concept of the Sin Eater, but I can’t see the analogy.

17 Travis PrinziNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 11:24 pm

Reyhan, John Granger has suggested that “Death Eater” is exactly the opposite of the Christian eucharist experience, in which Christians are “life eaters” in taking the body and blood of Christ.

Interesting theory, anyway.

18 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 11:38 pm

Words fail me.

19 Travis PrinziNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 11:48 pm

Words fail you? Don’t like the theory, I take it?

20 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 13, 2007 at 11:59 pm

Too close to blasphemy. Makes me think of witches’ sabbaths and Walpurgis Night (yes, I know JKR toyed with calling the Death Eaters Knights of Walpurgis) and devil worship. Nothing against witches (in our world, obviously not Harry’s) but even to an agnostic, there is something profoundly sickening about the inversion of Christian rituals in devil worship.

Which may actually be the point, perhaps.

21 Travis PrinziNo Gravatar April 14, 2007 at 12:06 am

Right, I think that is the point. And you’re right…it’s sickening. I think Rowling’s better at writing evil than some have given her credit for.

22 MartinNo Gravatar April 14, 2007 at 2:28 am

Ancient rivalry between England and France might have fluent Rowling, even without her knowing it. English called French frog-eaters, so this might have inspired Rowling to phrase „Death Eater“.

Henry V., who conquered the France, is sometimes reported as Harry in Shaekespeare’s plays.

There is one funny thing in play Henry V.: one of the soldiers calls the king buckbeak.

23 seriously_blackNo Gravatar April 14, 2007 at 3:43 am

Reyhan commented:
“…I’m not sure that walking through the veil in the Death Chamber would be the same as dying…”

The only evidence we have to go on is that Sirius fell through the veil and did not return – and although Harry’s initial reaction was disbelief, others – particularly Lupin – were certain that Sirius was dead.

So although we don’t know how or why, we seem to be being told that there is no return (at least not to life) from behind the veil – and it seems reasonable to assume that what was true for Sirius would also apply to Harry.

24 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 14, 2007 at 4:14 pm

S_B, I took up your point in another post: Speaking of the Phoenix, because I think that’s where this discussion leads to: the conclusion that one would need help in order to return from beyond the veil.

25 LizNo Gravatar April 14, 2007 at 8:19 pm

Frodo on Mt. Doom waiting for death, but saved by the eagles… Christ at Gesthemane, fearing death but accepting it anyway for the greater good… Which model will she choose?

Perhaps Harry will be saved from beyond the curtain by the phoenix, the only creature which did not experience original sin and which therefore is immortal. Or is that a redux of book 2?

I’d like to get me a phoenix. They’re handy.

Or maybe Harry will step through the curtain on purpose to kill his portion of Voldemort’s soul, and Neville will stab V. in the back.

One note: the prophecy doesn’t say that someone WILL live if the other dies – just (phrased in the positive) that one CAN live if the other dies. Nothing says that one will not kill the other and die right after. It seems likely to me that they will both die.

I think we should have a contest to write the last sentence in the book, i.e. “Neville reached up to feel the slash across his forehead, evidence of the effort it took to kill Voldemort, and realized that he would remember the sacrifice of his beloved friend and the power of love each time he saw the scar.”

It’s a good argument for Harry living. How do you write a last sentence with “scar” if there’s no Harry?

26 ReyhanNo Gravatar April 14, 2007 at 11:14 pm

My take is that Fawkes is Dumbledore’s familiar, can bridge the physical and spirit worlds, and will lead Harry back from beyond the veil in his spiritbird form.

If this happens, then the event will have been foreshadowed in CoS.

There is another event which happened in PS which I belive is foreshadowing a future event: Ron’s sacrifice so that Harry could go on to save the Philosopher’s Stone.

I think there’s a third such event, in the PoA.

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