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	<title>Comments on: Deathly Hallows: Rowling&#8217;s &#8220;Totally Bastard Mythology&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Reyhan</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/deathly-hallows-rowlings-totally-bastard-mythology-302/comment-page-1/#comment-49692</link>
		<dc:creator>Reyhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take is that Fawkes is Dumbledore&#039;s familiar, can bridge the physical and spirit worlds, and will lead Harry back from beyond the veil in his spiritbird form. 

If this happens, then the event will have been foreshadowed in CoS.

There is another event which happened in PS which I belive is foreshadowing a future event: Ron&#039;s sacrifice so that Harry could go on to save the Philosopher&#039;s Stone.

I think there&#039;s a third such event, in the PoA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take is that Fawkes is Dumbledore&#8217;s familiar, can bridge the physical and spirit worlds, and will lead Harry back from beyond the veil in his spiritbird form. </p>
<p>If this happens, then the event will have been foreshadowed in CoS.</p>
<p>There is another event which happened in PS which I belive is foreshadowing a future event: Ron&#8217;s sacrifice so that Harry could go on to save the Philosopher&#8217;s Stone.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a third such event, in the PoA.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frodo on Mt. Doom waiting for death, but saved by the eagles... Christ at Gesthemane, fearing death but accepting it anyway for the greater good... Which model will she choose?

Perhaps Harry will be saved from beyond the curtain by the phoenix, the only creature which did not experience original sin and which therefore is immortal. Or is that a redux of book 2?

I&#039;d like to get me a phoenix. They&#039;re handy.

Or maybe Harry will step through the curtain on purpose to kill his portion of Voldemort&#039;s soul, and Neville will stab V. in the back.

One note: the prophecy doesn&#039;t say that someone WILL live if the other dies - just (phrased in the positive) that one CAN live if the other dies. Nothing says that one will not kill the other and die right after. It seems likely to me that they will both die.

I think we should have a contest to write the last sentence in the book, i.e. &quot;Neville reached up to feel the slash across his forehead, evidence of the effort it took to kill Voldemort, and realized that he would remember the sacrifice of his beloved friend and the power of love each time he saw the scar.&quot; 

It&#039;s a good argument for Harry living. How do you write a last sentence with &quot;scar&quot; if there&#039;s no Harry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frodo on Mt. Doom waiting for death, but saved by the eagles&#8230; Christ at Gesthemane, fearing death but accepting it anyway for the greater good&#8230; Which model will she choose?</p>
<p>Perhaps Harry will be saved from beyond the curtain by the phoenix, the only creature which did not experience original sin and which therefore is immortal. Or is that a redux of book 2?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to get me a phoenix. They&#8217;re handy.</p>
<p>Or maybe Harry will step through the curtain on purpose to kill his portion of Voldemort&#8217;s soul, and Neville will stab V. in the back.</p>
<p>One note: the prophecy doesn&#8217;t say that someone WILL live if the other dies &#8211; just (phrased in the positive) that one CAN live if the other dies. Nothing says that one will not kill the other and die right after. It seems likely to me that they will both die.</p>
<p>I think we should have a contest to write the last sentence in the book, i.e. &#8220;Neville reached up to feel the slash across his forehead, evidence of the effort it took to kill Voldemort, and realized that he would remember the sacrifice of his beloved friend and the power of love each time he saw the scar.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good argument for Harry living. How do you write a last sentence with &#8220;scar&#8221; if there&#8217;s no Harry?</p>
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		<title>By: Reyhan</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/deathly-hallows-rowlings-totally-bastard-mythology-302/comment-page-1/#comment-49584</link>
		<dc:creator>Reyhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S_B, I took up your point in another post: Speaking of the Phoenix, because I think that&#039;s where this discussion leads to: the conclusion that one would need help in order to return from beyond the veil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S_B, I took up your point in another post: Speaking of the Phoenix, because I think that&#8217;s where this discussion leads to: the conclusion that one would need help in order to return from beyond the veil.</p>
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		<title>By: seriously_black</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/deathly-hallows-rowlings-totally-bastard-mythology-302/comment-page-1/#comment-49398</link>
		<dc:creator>seriously_black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Reyhan&lt;/b&gt; commented:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;...Iâ€™m not sure that walking through the veil in the Death Chamber would be the same as dying...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The only evidence we have to go on is that Sirius fell through the veil and did not return - and although Harry&#039;s initial reaction was disbelief, others - particularly Lupin - were certain that Sirius was dead.

So although we don&#039;t know how or why, we seem to be being told that there is no return (at least not to life) from behind the veil - and it seems reasonable to assume that what was true for Sirius would also apply to Harry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Reyhan</b> commented:<br />
<i>&#8220;&#8230;Iâ€™m not sure that walking through the veil in the Death Chamber would be the same as dying&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The only evidence we have to go on is that Sirius fell through the veil and did not return &#8211; and although Harry&#8217;s initial reaction was disbelief, others &#8211; particularly Lupin &#8211; were certain that Sirius was dead.</p>
<p>So although we don&#8217;t know how or why, we seem to be being told that there is no return (at least not to life) from behind the veil &#8211; and it seems reasonable to assume that what was true for Sirius would also apply to Harry.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ancient rivalry between England and France might have fluent Rowling, even without her knowing it. English called French frog-eaters, so this might have inspired Rowling to phrase â€žDeath Eaterâ€œ.

Henry V., who conquered the France, is sometimes reported as Harry in Shaekespeareâ€™s plays.

There is one funny thing in play Henry V.: one of the soldiers calls the king buckbeak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ancient rivalry between England and France might have fluent Rowling, even without her knowing it. English called French frog-eaters, so this might have inspired Rowling to phrase â€žDeath Eaterâ€œ.</p>
<p>Henry V., who conquered the France, is sometimes reported as Harry in Shaekespeareâ€™s plays.</p>
<p>There is one funny thing in play Henry V.: one of the soldiers calls the king buckbeak.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I think that &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the point.  And you&#039;re right...it&#039;s sickening.  I think Rowling&#039;s better at writing evil than some have given her credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I think that <em>is</em> the point.  And you&#8217;re right&#8230;it&#8217;s sickening.  I think Rowling&#8217;s better at writing evil than some have given her credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Reyhan</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/deathly-hallows-rowlings-totally-bastard-mythology-302/comment-page-1/#comment-49290</link>
		<dc:creator>Reyhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too close to blasphemy. Makes me think of witches&#039; sabbaths and Walpurgis Night (yes, I know JKR toyed with calling the Death Eaters Knights of Walpurgis) and devil worship. Nothing against witches (in our world, obviously not Harry&#039;s) but even to an agnostic, there is something profoundly sickening about the inversion of Christian rituals in devil worship.

Which may actually be the point, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too close to blasphemy. Makes me think of witches&#8217; sabbaths and Walpurgis Night (yes, I know JKR toyed with calling the Death Eaters Knights of Walpurgis) and devil worship. Nothing against witches (in our world, obviously not Harry&#8217;s) but even to an agnostic, there is something profoundly sickening about the inversion of Christian rituals in devil worship.</p>
<p>Which may actually be the point, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words fail you?  Don&#039;t like the theory, I take it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words fail you?  Don&#8217;t like the theory, I take it?</p>
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		<title>By: Reyhan</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/deathly-hallows-rowlings-totally-bastard-mythology-302/comment-page-1/#comment-49282</link>
		<dc:creator>Reyhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words fail me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words fail me.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Reyhan&lt;/strong&gt;, John Granger has suggested that &quot;Death Eater&quot; is exactly the opposite of the Christian eucharist experience, in which Christians are &quot;life eaters&quot; in taking the body and blood of Christ.

Interesting theory, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Reyhan</strong>, John Granger has suggested that &#8220;Death Eater&#8221; is exactly the opposite of the Christian eucharist experience, in which Christians are &#8220;life eaters&#8221; in taking the body and blood of Christ.</p>
<p>Interesting theory, anyway.</p>
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