There is, as was to be expected, a growing debate about whether or not Harry is the Gryffindor horcrux. I’m leaning one way, but I want to try to set out some of the arguments on both sides and leave it to discussion in the comments section to try to sort some of this out.
Two disclaimers: (1) I tend to think that predicting what will happen in the final book is one of the most fruitless endeavors, albeit interesting. JKR is just too good at the surprise plot turns and endings. (2) I’ll certainly not come at every angle of the argument here, so please add other arguments/thoughts in the comment section.
Let’s look at the Pro and Con arguments for the “Harry as Horcrux” theory, with counterarguments in italics after each point.
Pro:
(1) There seems to be no other option for the Gryffindor horcrux. As Dumbledore stated, all Godric left behind was the hat and the sword, and both remain in the office. I always chuckle when someone who read the exact same book I read proclaims with certainty that we know the Sword of Gryffindor is a horcrux. But if Harry is a horcrux, that fills the need for a Gryffindor horcrux.
See “Cons: (1)” below for counterargument.
(2) There was indeed reference in HBP to the possibility of a living being becoming a horcrux, surrounding the discussion of the potential for Nagini to be the 6th.
This doesn’t prove anything, although JRK’s vague references often turn into something bigger.
(3) If you agree that the books are couched in deliberately Christian imagery and themes, the idea that Harry would have to sacrifice himself in order to defeat Voldemort might fit into the plot.
At the same time, this would almost seem like suicide would be necessary, and the death of Jesus was not suicide, although He laid down His life willingly. Furthermore, Harry would have to die before Voldemort died, if he were a horcrux. As long as Harry survived, Voldemort would survive, even if his physical body was abolished again. This would be a direct contradiction to the prophecy that neither can live while the other survives, because if Harry has destroyed all the other horcruxes, then indeed Voldemort can only live if Harry survives.
(4) It is highly unlikely (to the point of absurdity, im my opinion) that Voldemort would intentionally try to make Harry a horcrux. However, there is no question that two murders, James and Lily, had just taken place. It is possible, since we know so very little about the process of horcrux creation, that the Dark Lord’s failed curse somehow made Harry into a horcrux, since certainly a piece of his soul had been split in that very room.
Accidental horcruxes seems a stretch. If curses like avada kedavra can only be performed if you “really mean it,” so to speak, then it’s hard to believe that such dark magic as horcrux creation could occur accidentally.
Con:
(1) We know that Voldemort had not completed 6 horcruxes when he went to Godric Hollow to kill Harry. It is reasonable, then, to conclude that there had yet to be, and therefore never was, a Gryffindor horcrux. Perhaps it is even this fact that gives a Gryffindor an upper hand in the final battle.
The alchemical themes of the book may necessitate, or at least lend itself towards the unlikelihood of only 3 of the four houses (representing the elements) coming into play in the whole horcrux deal. I’d need to look into this more.
(2) It seems almost inconceivable that Dumbledore would not have explored and uncovered this possibility.
Dumbledore has been wrong in the past, and he has said that when he makes a mistake, it’s a huge one.
(3) If Voldemort accidentally made Harry into a horcrux, then it is likely there are 7, not 6 horcruxes, since Voldemort would have wanted to create what he thought was the 6th (likely Nagini).
Perhaps Rowling will use her narrative misdirection to lead the readers to believe that all horcruxes are destroyed before the final battle, only to reveal Harry as horcrux in the final scene. Certainly the destruction of 6 horcruxes would lead readers to believe they were all destroyed.
(4) Voldemort’s frequent attempts to kill Harry seem out of place if Harry is a horcrux.
Only if Voldemort knew Harry was a horcrux. In fact, follow this order of events: in HP4, Voldemort tries to kill Harry after coming back to life. in HP5, Voldemort discovers part of his soul in Harry through occlumency, resulting in his shutting off the connection by the start of HP6. At the end of HP6, Voldemort’s distinct command is for the Death Eaters not to kill Harry, which makes no sense unless Voldemort actually wants Harry alive for some reason.
There is so much more to consider, I’m sure, but this is a good start, I suppose. I’ll say from the beginning that I lean towards the “Con” side; I just don’t buy that Dumbledore would have missed this. But I’m willing to hear either side out.
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Martin, congratulations for No. 1000 !!!
Matthew, I haven’t read that post of yours. Otherwise I would not have repeated it. So, I guess you love Tolkien just as I do.
Reyhan, I think I now understand what you mean. And I agree that Harry would not stop using some Dark Magic just because it is not allowed or someone told him it was not right. I can even imagine that Dumbledore knew there was no use in telling him to stop it, if Harry didn’t feel why he should.
“Even better would be an understanding of what the Dark Arts do to the wizard who uses them.â€
Yes, absolutely.
Harry believes, that he has to kill Voldemort in the end or else be killed by him. He didn’t really get what Dumbledore told him about his “power the Dark Lord knows notâ€. He underestimates that power. At the same time he despises Snape because of his reputation of being a Dark Wizard (and, of course, because of what he did to his parents and to him), but loves the book of the Half Blood Prince and its spells and curses, until he gets to know that it was Snape’s book.
Could Harry possibly understand what the using of Dark Magic can do to a wizard, when he finally gets to know Snape’s story?
He had to get to Dumbledore and he had to catch Snape … Somehow the two things were linked
I always wondered if JKR used the terms “to get to†and “to catch†with a double meaning here.
Reyhan,
I wasn’t trying to bag you with my previous comment. I understand what you are saying about Tolkien but I think it is done with a purpose. You say that Frodo becomes capable of only one emotion. That’s because he is damaged. I think Frodo saying that going back to the shire is more like going back to sleep rather than waking from a dream is a good indicator. He’s longing for healing and cannot find it in his world.
What you describe as a one dimensional characters isn’t the same for me. I see subtlety. I’m also surprised that you put Denethor in you list of characters who are not defined by nobility and sterness.
I’d like to chat with you further about this but this thread is supposed to be about horcruxes.
Oh yes Rena I am a Tolkien fan.
Matthew
Travis, apologies for the detour into Tolkien.
Matthew, I actually think Frodo is a well written character. Heartbreakingly so, as I said somewhere before. As for Denethor, he starts out as noble and stern as the best of them. But fortunately he becomes so twisted by envy and despair that he turns into someone quite fascinating, in a dark and doomed sort of way.
OK. No more Tolkien unless completely relevant to the story.
a few points to consider:
1. if harry is to kill voldemort, death eaters, etc. it is clearly said in book 6 by bellatrix lestrange that to perform a killing curse you have to enjoy doing it…although it is obvious that harry hates voldemort is it really going to be possible for him to really enjoy killing someone, whoever it is?
2. possibly it’s already been discussed but maybe lily potter is a horcrux since it has been suggested that she plays a significant role in the last book
3. i would assume that either ron or hermione has to die at some point…so which one is it?? i am swaying towards ron…
4. i know people have asked questions about whether dumbledore is really dead but JKR said in an interview that she hated killing off the character at the end of book 6 so i think that clears up any issues of him surviving…sad though it is
5. althought i think suicide is quite unlikely, if harry is a horcrux it’s quite possible that ron/hermione/ginny will have to kill harry in order to defeat voldemort entirely…
sorry for all this babbling it’s just quite hard to attempt to put all my thoughts down!
another thought…probably completely off the point but…if harry and voldemort have a connection but harry is not a horcrux is it possible that voldemort is a horcrux of harry??? i know it’s ridiculously far-fetched but it would explain their connection without harry being a horcrux himself…
also i read somewhere that JKR said that harry is not a horcrux…i have no idea how true that is but that could put an end to a lot of debate!
wow, i haven’t posted in forever. ONLY 18 MORE DAYS PEOPLE! actually i’m kinda dissapointed, this has been so much fun. Everyobe has to promise to come back to discuss if he was ahorcrux or not after we all read the book!
robin,
1. i don’t think you have to “enjoy” it, i think you have to want it so badly and have no regrets about doing it. but i’m sure dumbledore has killed people and he didn’t enjoy it. Mad Eye Moody killed people and i’m betting you he didn’t enjoy it. in fact Harry Potter’s parents, being in the order, probably killed someone or other at some point and i highly doubt they “enjoyed” it.
2. Lily, a horcrux? why would voldemort make lily a horcrux? but maybe he did for his own strange reasons, and her horcuxness passed on to harry, which is why he has her eyes? (remember jkr said that him having the same eyes as lily is very important) good thought, i think it’s possible. but i think if she was ever a horcrux, now harry ism through her protection.
3. i agree, probably Ron. but i wouldn’t be surprised if all three bit the dust.
4. I think dumbledore is dead, but not “gone”, if you know what i mean. i think he’ll have left remnants or thoughts in the pensieve, or something like that. i don’t believe dumbledore can be completely “gone”
5. I don’t think it would be direct suicide. but he might have someone kill him, or step in front of some curse to save someone, or simply let voldemort finish him off.
Oh, i already wrote about voldemort being harry’s horcrux in post #814. And i just spen like the past 20 minutes trying to find that post so please go read it.
okay, what if voldemort was harry in the future? i know i brought this up before (post 824 if your interested) but i know they HAVE to be connected in some way, and maybe we’ve all been too focused on the horcrux thing.
You guys are lucky, I am not going to read the book until christmas,because they must translate it to my language. Oh I cant wait.
Ok, so I had a little thought after reading the latest here:
Is it safe to assume that one you die, to come back yo uhave to “use” a horcrux? like remove it from the object it was in and put it back into you because the soul in your body would have moved on to the after life?
Because if so, when Voldemort used Harry’s blood to come back in Goblit of Fire maybe he took the horcrux back and Harry is no longer a Horcrux and there is only 6 now. That would explain the gleam of triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes when he found out.
Then again I dont really know the extent of Dumbledores knowledge on Voldemort Horcruxes before book 6. just a thought.
Robin,
I doubt lily was a horcrux because dumbledore speculated that voldemort wanted to make the last horcrux with harry’s death. Thus, Lily could not have been made one because Voldemort lost his power before he got the chance to. The importance of lily and her eyes I think will be through oclumency or in gaining some sort of power. Maybe even access to that secret room in the ministry.
Also I dont think Ron is going to die in the last book. There was an interview, im not sure when, with JKR when she was asked who she would ask to have dinner with from the books if she could, she was told she could choose five people. She answered hermione, ron, and harry, and then asked to clarify if they had to be alive or dead for the last two and refused to answer. That could have been her dropping hints that harry will live, or maybe it was misdirection, she is awfully clever at both.
I do however belive that Hagrid is going to die, and I think the last is going to be Ginny, though it will break my heart if it is her. I just think Voldemort will not pass up the oportunity to strike so close to Harry’s heart, especially at the end. I really hope she doesnt die though, it might seem sad but I was so happy when Harry finally found a great girl and he was so happy. This is actaully another reason that makes me think Harry has to live in the end. His entire life has just sucked with everyone he loves dieing. I mean I understand then he can go to the afterlife and be with all his friends and family but what kind of message does that send to people today. Life sucks and then you die, I mean I always joked with that with my brother but people gotta have some hope.
Nelly,
JKR has said specifically that Harry and Voldemort are not blood related meaning family and such, we all know they NOW have the same blood. So Im sorry but that kills the whole Harry in the future thing and all that. Plus I think that is getting a little too Sci Fi, even for a wizarding novel.
I don’t think that a dead person, including Lily Potter, can be a Horcrux. Also, although Voldemort did not let any respect for the dead stop him, via Wormtail, from desecrating his father’s grave, interfering with Lily’s remains would be about as sacreligious, not to mention offensive, as one can get in Harry’s world. So no, I don’t think so.
The most recent important fact concerning Lily is the fact, that Godric Gryffindor appears to have green eyes in his illustration as “Wizard of the Month” on the JKR website.
dave, no you don’t have to “use” it, its simply an anchor holding you onto life. it pulls you back, but you don’t “use” it.
to the lily-is-a-horcrux (or not) thing: good point, i hadb’t thought of that. but Dumbledore doesn’t know everything does he? he was “speculating” or maybe he did know but he chose not to tell harry for his own strange reasons.
for the ron thing: i don’t think you can take that interview in account to figure it out. jkr ight have meant either, but if she said “oh, don’t worry, harry, ron and hermione wo’t die, only the giant squid will” it would be com,pletely ridiculous. evern if they all lived she wouldn’t tell us, and if they died she quite obviously wouldn’t tell us.
i think ginny could die. but maybe she owuld die saving harry? i also wouldn’t rule out the possibility that harry could die, it would be kind of like the “final sacrifice” or whatever to repay everyone, and save the wizarding world, blah blah blah.
okay, she says they aren’t “family” she’s never said that they aren’t “one”. if they were eachothers future and past they wouldn’t be family, they would be something much more significant.
Reyhan, i agree that lily wouldn’t be a horcrux anymore. i think that her horcruxness passed on to harry.
the thing with godric is interesting, i’ll go check it out, but it could just be random, i mean, we can’t tale all illustrations and such as complete truth. but i’ll go look at it.
I think that it is a possibility that Lily could be a horcrux but like you say she passed it on to Harry (How can she do that?) or she just isn’t a horcrux. I don’t think you van pass horcruxness on. Either the horcrux dies or lives and so does the person with the horcrux.
Can people kill their one horcruxs? If not that would definately say that harry is a horcrux with or with out Lily’s love and sacrifice because Voldemort vanished that night he tried to kill Harry leaving maybe the rest and more of his soul on a complete accident which gave Harry his scar. The lightning shape scar from a powerful wizard who gave his soul to Harry. Well, the rest that he hadn’t put in other horcruxes or Harry already.Then also when voldemort came back to life he used a drop of HArry’s blood which maybe could give some of his soul back and to regain power. If this is true than they share the same soul or something. So it is like they share eachother. All the things voldemort took for his life are from the people close to him. Pettigrew:servant. Father: they share the same blood. Harry:the same soul. Now can he do the same he does to Harry to Pettigrew? If not, then that explains my theory. You can only do that through the same soul.
I forgot to add:
So Harry is a horcrux and maybe not hrough Lily. Then on the night he gained the rest of voldemort’s soul.
okay, you kinda lost be a bit there, but i think i get what your saying.
lily could’ve passed on her horcruxness by dying to save him. maybe there were side effects for her saving him. i mean, am i the only who thinks that lily simply sacrificing herself saved harry? i think there must have been something else going on that night.
thats interesting tho, that voldemort and harry might “share” a soul. like maybe they’re actually two halves of a hole, or something like that. so if one of them dies, maybe the other one would have to die also? but if they do share something and wormtail owes harry, does he also owe voldemort?
(did you guys see that interview where the editor of the hp books who has READ book 7, said that a very important questions was: how will wormtail repay harry? or soemthing like taht anyway. i think its on mugglenet if you want to check. i just thought it was interesting)
Nelly – regarding post #1008 – on JKR’s website, in the “Rumours” section, she says that “NONE of the characters in the books has returned from the future.” So I don’t believe Voldemort and Harry are one and the same, nor do they share the same soul – everybody gets their own when they’re born. I think their connection is primarily through the scar and secondarily through Harry’s blood used in Babymort’s rebirthing ceremony.
i agree. voldemort and harry cant be the same person. It does’t seem to work. and as mrs weasley said why would voldemort use harrys blood if they were the same person?
oh, forgot about that thing with jkr. oh well, it was fun to think about.
okay, something i was thinking about…(dun dun dun) why didn’t dumbedore notice that voldemort was there in the first book? i mean, i know he’s not all knowing, but it seems like he couldn’t have been completely convinced. wouldn’t he have sort of “sensed” voldmeort’s presence in quirrel?
“Sirius, I…I think I’m going mad….Back in Dumbledore’s office, just before we took the Portkey…for a couple of seconds there I thought I was a snake, I felt like one-my scar really hurt when I was looking at Dumbledore- Sirius, I wanted to attack him-â€
He could only see a sliver of Siriuses face; the rest was in darkness. “It must have been the aftermath of the vision, that’s all,†said Sirius. “You were still thinking of the dream or whatever it was and-â€
“It wasn’t that,†said Harry, shaking his head. “it was like something rose up inside me, like there’s a snake inside me-â€
just a passage to back up the harry-is-a-horcrux thing, which i am a strong supporter of.
beef broth, boiled potatoes, 3 plbs of steamed carrots, half a cucumber diced into small pieces, babymort, and a big red clown nose all stirred into one big pot. what do you get? why a new voldy that tastes like chicken and makes balloon animals!
thank you harry. Your insight astounds even me. where ever do you get these briliant ideas? Happy 4th of July! (to all you fellow Americans out there)
lol nelly i am honored to provide you with insight into the my own brilliant mind, it pleasures me to educate less fortunate beings like yourself who are stuck with mundane intelligence.
lol im just playing, i know im stupid.
Nelly,
In that quote that you posted in #1019, couldnt that have just been, Harry connecting to Voldemort again, who might have been doing something with Nagini at the time. I know that may seem to simple, but the Harry as a horcrux theory bothers me for the main fact that it was too easy to come up with the idea. That just isnt JKR’s style to leave everything wide open like that.
That would mean that we know ALL the horcruxes and the only mysteries in the book is how he kills them and Voldemort and if Snape is really good or not. That is just not enough. There is definite relevance to the scar and harry and voldemorts connection, but i dont think it is a horcrux. It has to be something that we havent thought of, something so abstract that when you read it your like, “im retarded for not seeing that was it.” That how I always feel at the end of reading one of her books and i dont think she is going to change on the last one.
The only way i would buy into the Harry as a horcrux idea is if it is not all harry but either the scar or the eyes. The only reason I see the eyes as being relevant is becasue, if it were possible that it were the eyes, or in some connection to Lilly, then that would explain why Voldemort died that night. Maybe the reason Voldemort was going to let Lilly live is becasue a part of her was a horcrux and he didnt want to destroy it, but when she jumped in front of Harry to save him Voldemort killed his own Horcrux, which caused him to loose his body and transfer his powers to Harry. Maybe in that instance the Horcrux needed to find another vessel and it went into Harry creating the scar.
Im sorry if that doesnt make much sense, but what a theory huh?
Dave, I’m not sure if I agree with your conclusion (that Harry might have become a Horcrux through a displaced Horcrux which jumped on him) but I think you’re focusing on an important question, and one we haven’t discussed yet in these threads. That is, the origin and the significance of the scar.
JKR tells us it’s not so much the scar as where it’s located that is important.
We need to figure out how Harry got the scar. The AK doesn’t leave a scar. If Lily jumped in front of Harry, why was there a scar at all?
I like the way you describe your reaction to the rabbits JKR pulls out of her hats. I very much hope it will be like that again: something utterly astounding and at the same time totally logical, so we can say: why didn’t I think of that?!?!?!
con:4 had a great point,that if only Voldermort knew that Harry was a Horcrux and probily found out he was in the end of the 5TH. And pro:4 made a good point about Horcrux’s being dark majic useing the example of the killing curse and how you can only use it if you really mean it meaning its a “streth” as he/she called to comitt making a Horcrux on accident. But i believe Voldermort did accidentally make Harry a Horcrux becouse on page 506 2Nd to the last paragraph in HP6 dumbledore told Harry that by killing him he was destroying the prophecy and was intending to make his finale Horcrux by killing Harry. But he didn’t die so therefor it makes Harry the Horcrux and supposedly didn’t find out till the end of the 5Th So i think Harry is a Horcrux.
I think that this is getting hella boring
this site was cool but then i left and u guys stayed yall are too obseessed. oh yea and voldemort and harry will duel wandlessly and then there will be a power still higher and harry will play a harp and become hella strong like dumbledore and then attack voldy and then theyll fight with mad kung fu skills
HARP MY FANNY!!!
hes gonna play the bagpipes buddy, and then hell be the best at throwin rocks! just like david and goliath, lil guy taking out the big guy with a little rock.
chyea harry, its yo birthday we gonna party like its yo birthday!
Harry is a hurcrux.
Lilly died in order to save Harry and because of that Harry got a protection. So when Voldy attacked Harry the A.K didnt kill Harry but Voldy( Vold. would die without his hurcruxes. Soooo…… I don tknow how Harry became a hurcrux. The only proplem is that Harry already has his soul .how can harry has and a part of the soul of voldemort?
Okay, firstly I would like to point out that if there are seven Horcruxs, then they would be:
Voldemort- 1/7th has to still be in him.
Marvolo Gaunt’s ring- Dumbledore (as much as I don’t trust him) said that he already destroyed it.
Tom Riddles diary- I’m not one hundred percent sure about this one, but if how the sixteen year old Tom vanished when it was destroyed was any hint then I’d have to say that it would make sense that the diary was a Horcrux.
Salazar’s locket- If R.A.B is Regulus Black then the locket would deffinetly be a Horcrux. I came to this conclusion while I was going over HP5, in the chapter “The Noble House of Black”, because it talks about how Sirius was disowned because he wasn’t a Death Eater. So my theory is that Regulus realized that Voldemort was in the wrong and, assuming he knew about the Horcruxs, decided to destroy a part of him to regain people’s trust.
Nagini- This would be one of the harder one to prove, but I could understand how you could say that the snake’s a Horcrux. Voldemort can talk to snakes, for one and Nagini seemed really close in HP4 (Nagini was helping to take care of Voldemort).
Rowena Ravenclaw’s something- I don’t think that Voldemort would willingly put his soul into something the belonged Helga Hufflepuff because she was a ‘muggle-lover’ and therefore beneath him. Also, something of Ravenclaw’s would probably be something average, because Ravenclaw was extremely smart and she probably realized that people would try to steal her belongings.
Harry Potter- I believe that Harry is a Horcrux because of four reasons. The first: they have the same wand. The second: they can communicate by mind, so there must be a connection there. The third: Harry, according to Dumbledor, didn’t inherite Parseltongue from any of his ancestors. The fourth: (I’m not very sure of this one..) But I think that it was mentioned that Harry is a descendant of Godric Gryffindors.
Although I’m very, very fond of my theories I know that some of my facts could be wrong and I accept that but it’s easier for me to accept that Harry is a Horcrux. That’s probably because of the rumours going around that JK’s going to kill off two major characters in HP7, and a lot of protagonists die at the end of a series as big as this (it’s so no other author can try to continue on with the plot and make money off of it).
Chael-Kieran,
Angelic-DarkOne
P.S. Anyways, Travis, I love that you let anyone come here and speake their minds. It feels nice to get all of this off my chest.
JEEZ Chael, tu es un grande fan
Like tu do, i think Harres a hore, but not bcuz a wat u sed, but bc it seems to fit in to the prophecy, scar mark, nd evything
yea. I agree with you the horcrux thing and will speak my mind. But first let me give this message.
Boggart,
If you think this is boring then don’t do it.
Okay. Here I go.
So there are seven horcruxes. Jk said that there is a horcrux in each book. If we count Harry then he is the first horcrux. 2nd book is the diary and 3rd:Let us just say the cup. I am gonna pause right now and think of the other possibilities of other horcruxes. I will also go further with another theory. Some times, the deaths or attempted deaths (Harry)are horcruxes or who ever is with them is a horcrux. For instance:
1rst book: Harry: mother, father die, him: attempted death.
2nd book: the diary and yet there was an attempted death in there: wasb’t he trying to take the soul from Gnny and so he could live?
3rd book: THis one is hard but maybe Remus and Sirius wanted to kill Pettigrew and that guy is not a horcrux but he was a rat and going back to his master who had a pet snake. Alright, maybe not a pet and anyway, snakes like to eat rodents/rats. I admitt. I didn’t get that one myself. So let us give the cup to this one and voldy killed the lady for the cup that he supposedly turned into a horcrux.
4th book: If we say that Nagini was a horcrux then here we go again. There was four murders one of which she witnessed. Frank Bryce. I how ever do not believe she is a horcrux.
5th: This one is also hard to place. Deaths… what are the murders voldemort committed for something? moving on. Let us see if anyone can think of some with me.
6th book: the locket. He killed the lady.
7th book: voldemort himself.
Alright, I have a lot to say and that was only one of my theories. If we can find out how they make the horcruxes this would be so much easier. But I have to go. I will write more later for the fun and debates.
TTYL.
Sorry. just realized how long that was.
dave (for post 1023) good point about the predictability thing. i think the eyes/scar is a really good idea. i always thought the scra, but i guess eyes could work too.
Reyhan, (post 1024) many people have said that if the scar is a horcrux, and its location is important, maybe it’s that his HEART remains pure even tho his HEAD/BRAIN is contanimated by evil.
harry and boggart. there will be no harps or bagpipes, only flamingos playing fiddles.
Eimi. yes, he is.
chael kirean. i do not think Nagini is a horcrux. it’s too simple for jkr to for dumbledore to be completely right about everything. but it shows that something alive can be a horcrux. i defidently don’t think he would consider hufflepuff’s thing below him enoygh to not be made a horcrux. sure, he probably thinks slytherin is better, but he still thinks hufflepuff is important. harry is a horcrux. but he is not a descendent of Gryffinodr’s, jkr said it, but if you don’t beieve me i’ll send you a link.
rae-mac. i wasn’t aware that jkr said that about a horcrux per book. can you find proof? i don’t think she would do that. it’s WAY TOO INCREDIBLY SIMPLE!!!!! she’s too good for that.
okay, but nobody has said anything about my post up there: why didn’t dubledore know that Quirrel was contanimated? for someone such a good wixard, wouldn’t he have sensed that SOMETHING wasn’t right?
Luv janelle
ok i had a weird idea. sirius has a portrait of his mum. and she can speak. (welll scream)
and dumbledore has portraits of old head masters. They talk and run errands for him. And what if harrys mum and dad are in some kind of portrait. I think that woulod be cool. lol
that would be really cool…but unlikely. it’s the easy way out, harry’s parents are DEAD, if he can talk to them….it just wouldn;t work, it’s finally his time to kill voldemort with NO PROTECTION!
but what do you think dumbledore’s portrait will be like?
Nelly, I think that is a very important question.
Dumbledore has been Harry’s mentor for the last six books. There is still knowledge he has which Harry needs. Will the portrait be able to give it to him? Will the portrait plan with him, and advise him? We don’t really know the limitations of the portraits. Could a portrait share information which the person knew? I guess it’s up to JKR to decide. I’m leaning on the side that the portrait will provide moral support, but not much actual practical help or information.
There is also the possibilty that Harry won’t have much access to Dumbledore’s portrait. Why would the next Headmaster allow him easy access? At the least of it, he or she would want to be privy to the conversation.
Does anyone else thinks that wormtail will kill harry? I know that this doesnt sound possible and I believe that is not going to happen.But if Harry is hurcrux wormtail will kill him in order to repay harry for saving his life and then try to kill voldy.
eimi that is impossible, for wormtail to kill harry
the prophecy says that “either must die at the hands of the other” meaning they can only die from each other, which is why dumbledor prolly didnt try to kill him, knew it was pointless.
harry, that is a good point. So if Harry POTTER couldn’t be a horcrux because he has to kill voldemort and kill himself at the same time if he was a horcrux.
I howerver am still a faithfu believer that Harry POTTER is a horcrux
rae-mac i have ez mac TM in my pantry
Ronald Potter SP 2: what is ez mac TM?
Reyhan, it would be too easy if Dumbledore’s portrait was as much help as the real him, jkr is too good for that. i agree about the moral support thing.
ez mac is a brand of MACORRONI… and cheese. Lacrosse IS SO TIRING IF YOUR PLAYING W/ A BUNCHA PADS IN 100 deg whether 4 ur 1st time. ab Nelly- tha name sounds cool- portrait of the dumb door aint gonna happen cuz it woold b 2 ez. Iz like jkr not even let Harry do some thinkin. Although iz in da weerd wizardy world nd portraits talk, jkr wooldn do that. But it makes sense in a way. I think jkr would make Harry b really by himself in da last, u know, really get him 2 stand out… bf he dies. NEway, i gonna have some mac nd cheese now, from ez mac TM. 1044, juz pokin a lil fun @ u rae-mac. notin offensive, like in lacrosse.
Travis knows French, Est-ce que tu sais. Je sais je sais francais. If tu ne sais pas, tu doies parle maintenant.
ok, so we know that if someone horcrux gets destroyed they can feel it, therefore if the horcruxe is already active (harry) he should also be able to feel if one has been destroyed, if harry is truly a horcrux, then why did he not feel something, when he destroyed riddles diary or when they destroyed marovolos ring, therefore I do not believe harry is a horcrux (mainly because I also dont want it to be true =(, I also like my theory because I have never heard it before on any other forums).. Since harry did not feel the horcruxe’s being destroyed I therefore conclude that he is not a horcruxe (atleast I hope hes not =( ) I believe JKR will throw in a different twist for the grffindor horcruxe… godd…. i really wish I could read the book now Lmao =)
Ronald, I don’t want to have to start moderating your comments again. Please keep your comments on task. This site is about Harry Potter, not French, mac and cheese, or your birthday.
Thanks!
i think dumbledores portrait will be soo. cool. lol
scott, wait, i really don’t know how you worked that out. harry wouldn’t feel the horcruxes getting destroyed neither do the other horcruxes! VOLDEMORT doens’t even feel his horcruxes being destroyed, why would harry (assuming he’s a horcrux)? the horcruxes are not connected to eachother, they are all branches of VOLDEMORT! so i really don’t know how that helps the harry-isn’t-a-horcrux theory at all.
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Comin’ out 2night, didn’ know that! pretty soon i aint gonna see it though this week neway, lil 2 busy…
I believe that Harry is not a horcrux bcoz of the following statements made / logical reasonings: -
1. The prophecy says that ‘neither will live while the the other survives…’ (HP5)
So, if Harry is a horcrux then he will have to destroy himself, before he can destroy the final part of Lord Voldemort… so there can a situation wherein a hero dies and a villain remains alive… that’s not the basis for the book…. Voldemort is to be killed….
2. Another reason is that of the statement made by Dumbledore……. ‘ he (voldemort) could not occupy u where lives the power he detests…’ so how come his horcrux will live. (HP5
3. The statemnt of voldemort… ‘ U have irked me too often… I have nothing more to say to u. Avada Kedavra (HP5)’
Will voldemort destroy his own self that he had created with such hard work… when he could not even thrown away the items of his targets he stole when in hostel ?(HBP)
4. There is no horcrux remaining as there is a clue in prev. books that he did not make the sixth horcrux as intended and B4 that the curse backfired….
Or if he has made then the horcrux is none other than…the following suspects
a. Bertha Jorkins… (Voldemort himself killed her instead of asking his death eaters……. Why? … and I think no one ever thought it from that angle..)
b. Either James or Lily…or
c. May be I thought the baslisk was also one or something from the chamber of secrets……
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Well that’s just stupid! It’s pretty obvious that Harry is a horcrux, since he didn’t die when Voldermort tried to kill him (before HP series). Horcruxes are immortal, so Harry must be a horcrux.
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To person who has written #1055: Could you add something more to your name? I am using the name for some time, it might be confusing if we both had the same.
whoa which one is the real martin im guessing number 1057
ok, two martin’s…..scary.
I’m depressed, the 5th movie wasn’t nearly as good as i thought it would be, too rushed, cut out some good scenes, little overdramatic.
crypto grapher: i agree.
YO MArtins- get w/ da program, 1 a ya better change your names. lol. Yo #1054, ab ur comment, u make some sense, but i still Bleeve harry is a horcrux cuz a da scar, nd the times voldy tried 2 kill Harry. Voldy wooldn try 2 kill Harry unless Harry was made a ho, tryin 2 kill voldy. Nd BDW, CRYPTO, u stay up pretty late. ur comment shows u wrote it @ 1 Am
harry,
You are quite right.
Nelly,
I am glad to see you back.
Ronald Potter SP 2,
I just wonder what functionality has the program you have mentioned.
“GET w/ the program” is juz a saying,
HORCRUXES
Cup (HH)
Baton or Wand (RR)
Sword or Dagger (GG)
Pentacle (SS locket)
Harry
Voldemort
though i think i saw somewhere on another website that we’ll find the sword isn’t a hor in the 7th, ?I ain’t know notin bout that?
how about we don’t speak/write in weird ways Ronald Potter. it is really, really annoying.
Yeah, and whoever said that Harry’s body can’t be a horcrux. Just because he dies, his dead body can still be a horcrux. This is why i think that dementors will have to come into the story somewhere…
yo stop insulting me Vernon
hey ppl post ur comments on the horcruxes i wrote, n tell me Nother 1, cuz i aint got 7, i only six thinkin ab.
Who wrote that Dumbledore said that it was possible to take the horcrux out of a living body?? My friend and I are having this debate over wether or not Dumbldore said this. Any help on who wrote that and if there’s any concrete evidence he said that??
Ronald Potter,
Voldemort wouldn’t be a Horcrux, he’d just be a wizard with only 1/7th of his soul left in his own body.
Of the five others you’ve mentioned, the locket is definitely a Horcrux, and the cup probably so. People have posited that since GG’s sword has been in DD’s posession, he would have known if it was Horcruxed, and since he didn’t say anything, it isn’t.
Why did you leave out the diary, again definitely a Horcrux, the ring and Nagini, all of which DD has vouched for as being Horcruxed?
The diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the snake and Voldemort himself account for 6 of the 7 soul pieces. I’m guessing that the seventh piece will be Rowena Ravenscar’s tiara, which, for the reasons of parsimony in plotting, will prove to be the same one that Molly Weasley has promised to lend to Fleur for her wedding to Bill.
For an exhaustive discussion about the identity of the 6 Horcruxes, take a look at the post: Horcruxes: A Summary, especially the part at the beginning where Travis lays out the commonly accepted facts.
Martin: thanks, glad to see you too.
Ronald Potter:
Cup (HH)
Baton or Wand (RR)
Sword or Dagger (GG)
Pentacle (SS locket)
Harry
Voldemort
wait, what???? what dagger, what baton? i’m confused. and that’s six horcrux, we already know some of them for sure, so that really wouldn’t work.
1. locket
2. cup
3. diary
4. Marvolo’s ring
5. Voldemort himself (well, he’s not a horcrux –obviously– but he’s another part of soul)
those are the ones we know for sure. so really, some of yor could not possibly fit in.
i think the “something of Gryffindor’s” is Harry, he’s a horcrux. i don’t know what the last one is tho.
Petunia Dursley: great point. i agree, if harry is a horcrux, then it’s quite possible dementors will get envolved.
Ronald Potter: Vernon wasn’t insulting you, he was stating a fact. i’m sorry, but half the time i have absolutely NO IDEA what your talking about. no offense.
Lindesy. he NEVER said that.
Reyhan: hmmmm, i didn’t know jkr ever said anything of ravenclaw having a tiara, that’s an interesting point about the Weasley’s tho. However, that tiara was passed down through family. the Weasley’s are completely Gryffindor, not Ravenclaw. if they were descendents of Ravelclaw i’m betting they would be in ravenclaw.
okay, me and my friend had a very strange conversation about this today: is ‘fug’ a word. Because they jkr uses it on the first page of the third chapter, i thought the word should’ve been ‘fog’ not ‘fug’ and i am very very hopeful of actually finding a typo in the HP books, so does anyone know if that’s a mistake, or am i just stupid?
Luv Janelle
ps. EIGHT MORE DAYS!!!!
@Nelly ‘fug’ see http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/hbp/book_hbp-facts.html
spelling error in chapter 3? “The misty fug his breath had left on the window…” Should that be ‘fog’ or not? The word ‘fug’ is actually an informal British term meaning an airless, smoky, smelly atmosphere. Doesn’t seem to fit, really.
Parts of Voldemort’s Soul
1. Voldemort
2. Diary
3. Ring
4. Locket
5. Nagini (snake) (how else could harry have seen thru Nagini’s eyes?)
6. Cup
7. Harry Potter
moody: THANKS!
Dudley Dursley: i agree with all of them ezcept Nagini. i can’t see Voldemort purposefully making a horcrux out of a living thing. (i think harry was a horcrux) i really don’t think jkr will have TWO living things as horcruxes. i agree with whoever said this on this site years ago: the purpose of saying Nagini was just so that we knew that a living thing could be made a horcrux. i also do NOT think dumbledore is completely reliable, He’s made mistakes before! For instance, why didn’t he sense that Voldemor was in Quirrel back in the 1st book. it surprises me that he didn’t sense ANYTHING! i mean, he’s the smartest wizard there is. wouldn’t he have know something was at least a little wrong?
Janelle
ps. 7 days, 12 hours, 7 minutes, 5 seconds!!!!!
doods, i know some a them hors mentioned in the six, r not really ones.
Ronald…yeah, probably..but i think most of them are right. And can you PLEASE write just a little clearer! it took forever to understand that last post!
7 DAYS 9 HOURS 42 MINUTES 45 SECONDS!!!!!!!
ur kiddin but ok
by the way nice name- nelly
n Nelly, an 1069, the wand- i think voldys
sword of gryf
Nelly: If you believe that Harry is a horcrux, and in book 5 Harry saw through Nagini’s eyes Mr. Weasley get attacked, then what other ways are there that Harry could have seen through Nagini’s eyes other that Nagini carrying another part of Voldemort’s soul?
i 4 got, sorry, who’s nagini egN n y is he considered 2 b a horcrux?
ronald– Nagini is voldemort’s snake. he’s kinda obsessed with her. sorta creept actually. i’m glad you like my name! (but its just a nickname people call me, not that weird american pop artist. lol)
Marge Dursley: (wait, why are there suddenly so many dursleys? are you all related, or just the same person doing different names, or what?)we don’t know that horcruxes are connected to EACHOTHER, we know they are connected to VOLDEMORT. i admit, i have no sound explanation except for maybe voldemort was doing some sort of legilimency on her at the time. i’m not saying she’s not a horcrux, i’m saying that i think it’s unlikely that JKR will have two living horcruxes. and i see no reasong behind making her a horcrux in the first place!
Janelle
7 DAYS, 1 HOUR, 46 MINUTES, 15 SECONDS!!!!!!
Ronald Potter: PLEASE don’t write in shorthand, i can barely understand what you are trying to say.
Nelly: i dont know who those other dursleys are, except dudley, he is a friend of mine. Ok, so Dumbledore said that before going to Godric’s Hallow to kill James and Harry, Voldemort only had five horcruxes and was one short of having six. THEORY from now on: I bet Voldemort made Harry a horcrux without knowing it (after all why else would Voldemort keep trying to kill Harry all thru to the end of book 5,[after which he realizes Harry is a horcrux]while harry can see visions and feel Voldemort’s emotions, at the end of book 5 Voldemort realizes that Harry can see his visions etc… and realizes that he can reverse it then focus on Dumbledore in book 6 there is NO scar tingling, or feeling of emotions or visions in book 6 because Voldemort is using Occlumency against Harry. He STOPS trying to kill harry after he realizes that Harry is a horcrux) then when he was “ressurected”, he made Nagini what he thought was his sixth horcrux.
Marge Dursley: i completely agree with everything you said…except Nagini. i mean it’s a possibility i guess. but i just can’t see Voldemort or jkr doing it.
Janelle
6 DAYS 12 HOURS 54 MINUTES 30 SECONDS!!!!!!!!
Harry is the one with the power to vanquish Voldemort, but why is this so? Harry is gifted dueller indeed, but he is not the only one. We saw several people who did better then him: Bellatrix Lestrange, Severus Snape, Lord Voldemort and Albus Dumbledore. Is Harry chosen one because he is person full of heart? In spite I think power of hard is going to play highly significant role the explanation does not suit me. Such a power is not uncommon; Dumbledore would have been able to kill Voldemort. There is one more possibility: Harry could be the only one, who is able to get all horcruxes.
That begs the question: Why would Harry be the one who could track down all Voldemort’s horcruxes? There are very many wizards who have deeper knowledge of poisons, charms, transfiguration ancient ruins and herbology than Harry. Apparently, only thing that makes Harry quite special is he was marked, attacked by Voldemort, something from Voldemort was transformed into Harry.
Harry gained ability to speak parceltongue. If he had not spoken parceltongue Riddle from diary could live in the chamber of secret forever. Since Ginny was speaking parceltougue only when she was containing part of Vodlemort’s soul, I believe Harry contains another part of Voldemort’s soul as well. However many people does not.
What interest me the most is whether there is a protection wizard without part of Voldemort’s soul is not able to overcome. I think such a protection exists and we know it very well. Consider following scenario: There is a building, a horcrux is located inside. The building is protected by Fidelius charm and Voldemort is secret keeper. No one can enter until Voldemort tells him about the place and he is not very keen to do so. There is something funny about fidelius charm: the keeper holds the secret in his soul. If Harry was not a horcrux he would not be able to overcome such a protection. Certainly Harry has the secret in case the charm had been performed before the attack.
Harry will to face Lord Volemort, I still think the will mange to destroy him. Following factors will play highly significant role: Power of heart, strong duelling abilities, close relationship to Granger and Weasly’s, help form Severus Snape. I would add one more item to the list: Harry is a horcrux. He will find it deadly useful.
I too think that Harry might have two parts of Voldemort’s soul in him.
3rd book:
“but- I stopped Sirius and Remus from killing Pettigrew! That makes it my fault if Voldemort comes back!â€
“It does not,†said Dumbledore quietly. “Hasn’t your experience with the time-turner taught you anything, Harry? The consequences of our actions are always so complicated, so diverse, that predicting the future is a very difficult business indeed… Professor Trelawney, bless her, is living proof of that… You did a very noble thing, in saving Pettigrew’s life.â€
“But if he helps Voldemort back to power-!â€
“Pettigrew owes his life to you. You have sent Voldemort a deputy who is in your debt… When one wizard saves another wizard’s life, it creates a certain bond in them… and I’m much if Voldemort wants his servant in the debt of Harry Potter.â€
…
This passage leads me to the night James and lily died. Lily herself sacrificed her life to save another wizard’s life creating a bond between she and Harry. And if say that Lily was a horcrux of voldemort it would go on to little Harry. Harry has his mother’s eyes. Then if we were following with my theory that would be why voldemort did not want to kill her. Because she is a horcrux. His horcrux. But he had to and did creating that bond. He then turned his wand on Harry but could not kill him. It was because of Lily’s sacrifice and love that voldemort did not know of and the bond that voldemort did not know of. He also didn’t know his horcrux into Lily passed on to Harry. He tried to kill Harry but couldn’t. The bond. He then accidently placed the rest of his soul into Harry. I don’t think he can kill his own horcruxes. It would take the rest of his soul out of him and put it in Harry. Harry got that scar. Too much soul from voldemort. His love and the bond cracking from the dark magic making that scar. But, perhaps the other peice of soul from volemort died and that is what made the scar. Or maybe that is still alive and yet Lily for some strange reason also had part of her soul in voldemort. I doubt that last part. But there it is!
Did i lose you? Was it unbelievable or what? Tell me what you think! plz?
Good day,
seventh book almost here!
Goodbye,
TTYL
~RM
Marting: i 100% completely and totally agree with you.
rae-mac: WHAT? i’m sorry, but it’s completely IMPOSSIBLE for someone to be two horcruxes, the horcruxes would simply merge into one, and once you killed him they would bother be destroyed anyone. him having two horcruxes in him makes no sense whatsoever. no offense meant tho, still a good theory.
Janelle
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Jannele, I am blushing.
rae-mac,
I wonder why it would be useful to make Lilly a horcrux. Volemort expected Harry to have extraordinary power, but Lilly was just a mudblood.
hi,
im just here to say i dont think harry is a horcrux. Why would Volemort make him one? He knew harry was the only one who could defeat him, so he set off to KILL harry. NOT to make him into a horcrux. Its possible that volemort could have done it accadentaly but i doubt it. volemort is an extrodnary wizard and he wouldnt make a mistake like that.
Thanks for reading this
-RYAN
@Ryan: LV being an extraordinary wizard in no argument against the accidental horcrux theory. (compare the priori-incantatem scene in book 4) JKR’s world is just too unpredictably twisted.
why would LV make Harry a Horcrux?
We had this a couple of times before, to sum it up:
Knowing that the one with the power to vanquish him approaches, LV thought he would ‘outsmart’ the prophecy. By making Harry a Horcrux he creates a win/win situation out of the prophecy-threat:
In case LV dies (when killing Harry) a part of LV would survive with Harry, and in case he suceeds to kill Harry, he’d only loose just another part of his soul…
We’ll find out soon enough if he was smart enough
PS. at first glance the intentional horcurx idea seems to produce many contradictions. But if you scroll up and provoke some thoughts, you’ll find that it nicely ties many plot holes, though it leaves lots of space for interpretation..
PPS. I think we’ve witnessed a very important scene when LV was possessing Harry in the end of OOTP: The Dark Lord changes his mind !!
Let me interpret the fact that LV stopped pursuing Harry in Book 6 by saying:
He starts to realize that Harry’s belief in there are things that are worth dying for (aka. LOVE) thwarts his win/win situation – yet LV does not understand Harry’s power. He does not learn fear in response to possessing Harry [note: if he did he'd probaly win in the end], but mortal agony (as Dumbledore put it). I do not even think he’s interested in understanding Harry: LV’s plans are of a strategic brilliance that does include his enemy as variable.
The Dark Lord’s plans for Book 7 are way ahead of any Muggle speculations. (-;
Moody: Would they not be JKR’s plans, not the Dark Lord’s?
Ok ok
I admit defeat. But still. I am on the bond thing between Harry and… and … and I don’t wanna go through it again let us just say…; everyone!
Martin,
I guess your right,
Why would LV make Lily a horcrux?
Moody,
Excellent! I am on your side! Love. JK said the green eye thing would be important in the seventh book. And that would for some reason connect to Love. And love connects to the bond thing I was talking about. sacrifice for the person he/she loves. Any ideas on why LV wouldn’t kill Lily?
Oh and Ryan,
I think it would have been an accidental horcrux and if it wasn’t, well I thinkl Moody is again right and it would come to LV advantage.
Thanx
~RM
Harry – a unified theory:
The prophecy is crucial ‘neither can live while the other survives’. Whichever way you read it, one of them will die and one will probably survive. Good will triumph, Voldemort is bound to die, so how does Harry survive? The (unintentional) horcrux idea is so neat it could be true. Harry and the gang discover this and the brilliant witch Hermione finds a way to destroy the horcrux leaving Harry alive but with no magical powers. All horcruxes destroyed, only Voldemort’s personal soul remains. In the final scene Voldemort is betrayed by his most trusted deatheater Snape. Somehow, Voldemort dies at the hand of Harry – stripped of magical powers??
This scenario is supported by the following:-
1. The prophecy is paramount – Voldemort will die, Harry will survive.
2. There is probably a Gryffindor horcrux – why not Harry?
3. Dumbledore was right to trust Snape – he pleaded with Snape to kill him so he would be well-placed to double-cross Voldemort.
4. Snape is gifted in occlumency so could hide all this from Voldemort.
5. The Slytherin ring horcrux was destroyed yet the shell of the ring survived; Harry could survive as his horcrux is destroyed.
6. I don’t believe JKR could finally kill her hero – stripping him of his magical powers is a neat compromise.
7. The epitaph ‘The Boy Who Lived’ would neatly describe Harry at the end.
Kevin: In my opinion, there is a problem with number three. Here it is:
The following is quoted from: http://felicitys-mind.livejournal.com/2616.html
Click that link to read where this came from:
Reply with what you think please!
Marge Dursley
Marge, due to the length of the quoted section, I’ve removed it and just left the link to Felicity’s excellent essay.
That link is pretty cool, thanx it really enlightened me. I really think that the death stopper theory is plausible. ALso the Felix Filius/Felix Culpa was enlightening, yet didn’t have much to do with the overall plot. Thanx Marge!!!
8) 
Marge, thanks for this link – the death stopper theory seems very convincing. I deidn’t realise this level of detailed analysis existed! This all helps Snape become Voldemort’s most trusted deatheater, and Snape surely has a vital part to play in his demise.
Perhaps Snape (whose life was saved by James?) and Wormtail (who Harry spared)have a debt to pay and help in Voldemort’s downfall. If either of these or Ginny or Ron die to save Harry this would increase Harry’s old magic protection, and help him survive the final battle.
Harry, with his horcrux destroyed, no magical power, no scar, finally finishes Voldemort off and becomes ‘The Boy Who Lived’. Or not, probably completely wrong.
No! NO NO NO! Harry is not a horcrux! Simple as that!
I admitt that I am now torn.
I do up theories and they all seem great and believable (sometimes)Some I have not shown them on here and I went to A sixth book discussion and they gave good points. Anyway, *sighs* I cannot wait for Harry Potter 7!! EEKs!! I am going at midnight with friends. Woohpee!
it just came up but i thought itwould be interesting to add that horcrux in latin kinda means root of the hour, im probably not translating it correctly but thats the basic idea i think
oh woe is me! lol. i am seriously depressed, i am in a dark hole of despair. i have reached a middle aged cisis when i’m not middle aged. the reason for my suffering:
this is the last book.
i can’t believe it, how will i lkive with out the debates and speculation? i’m very sad. well, in case i never talk to any of you guys again (sob, sob) it was so much fun doing this and thankl you everybody for everything!
but back to the debate.
rebakah: no, not as simple as that.
kevin: i agree with you. hadn’t thought about the “losing all his powers” thing, but that’s interesting, definitely a good theory1 but i wouldn’t put it past jkr to kill her main character off. did you hear the interview where she said the seventh book was a “bloodbath” and she was absolutely “howling” at one of the last chapters. i’m thinking harry’s dead.
lurve Janelle
2 DAYS, 2 HOURS, 1 MINUTE, 15 SECONDS!!!!! (sob, sob, sob)
i enjoy this, everytime i post something, somebody edits it off, just because they know its true. the thing im trying to type is simple and open to the public. its not even hidden at the website its on. this is so crap. why wont you let me say it?
harry, man…in the entire history of your posts, I have only ever not approved one or edited one just recently. I’m sorry – I’m not going to post a flat-out lie that J.K. Rowling said that the Giant Squid is the world’s largest animagus. If you’re going to complain about comments like that not getting posted, you should remove yourself and check out a fandom forum or something.
Nelly, Jannele, Cheer up! I will miss you and all the people in here very much. However we still have some more time, .I guess I know about a point to discuss.
Harry had the vision Mr. Weasly was attacked by giant Snake and he told Dumbledore, who send for help. There after Dumbledore make and said several funny things, Harry could not make had not tail of it. Are we able to? I will try.
Dumbledore used his silver instrument, smoke which came from the instrument take form of Snake. “Naturally, naturally” muttered Dumbledore. He might not just want to confirm Harry’s story, it does not seem the attack was quite unexpected to him. I would say Dumbledore checked whether Voldemort was present at ministry in some way. It looks like Voldemort was and it was no surprise to Dumbledore.
“Is the essence divided?” Dumbledore asked. What did Dumbledore wondered about? There are two possibilities how could be Voldemort present at ministry: He could came into Nagini and completely posses her. He is able do so, rats had told Wormtail about a place where animal had been being possessed. Another possibility is Nagini contains piece of Voldemort’s soul. Dumbledore could control her from elsewhere. Such a way is much safer and more comfortable. That is probably why Dumbledore continued with the spell: snake represented “Essence”, that is soul, Dumbledore wanted to know how much pieces of Voldemort’s soul take part at ministry.
He did some more magic, two snakes appeared. Obviously essence is divided; two parts of Voldemort’s soul take were involved at ministry: One was in the Snake and the other somewhere outside, mentally connected to the first part. There was grim triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes, he found out what the horcrux is. Thus far everything speaks for the theory Nagini is a horcrux.
However there is another explanation: Dumbledore made a mistake, huge mistake, his conclusion was wrong. Voldemort was in Nagini and the second part of soul was in Gryffindor dormitory. Is there any evidence? I believe there is: In the very same chapter Harry told Sirius he felt like the snake was in him. The word snake is italic. Since I believe Dumbledore’s snakes represented pieces of Vodlemort’s soul I recognize this is a clue for Harry being horcrux rather then Nagini. There is one more highly suspicions matter: Just before Dumbledore told Harry about prophecy Harry had been smashing Dumbledore’s possession, silver instrument was very first. Therefore Dumbledore had no chance to check whether Harry is a horcrux. I assume Dumledore’s snakes have nothing to do with Nagini, they represent two pieces of one soul, contained in two archrivals: Lord Voldemort and Harry Potter.
1 more day you guys!!!! can everyone PLEASE come back after the book comes out so we can discuss what happens????????!!!!! please!
I want to read it so much but I will have to wait until Christmas. I am not sure if I will come back here before I read it. I dont want to learn the end from you guys. You are so lucky.
sure, “I’ll be back!”
Ok! Good idea!
:):):)
ok
im going to get it first thing in the morning. the if i dont stop reading for like 2 days……… i should finish 
to travis prinzi check jkrowling . com look at the front page and select a language, then read all the way through her diary, it scrolls down. read all of it. then tell me she didnt say it, then i wont complain
Travis
i trust that you trust hp lexicon right?
here go to this website
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-diary.html#12
and read the diary entry for may 14, jk changed her diary so i cant show it to you on her website.
and quite frankly travis, id prefer to stay.
not go to a fandom site, thanks.
Harry, glad you want to stay, man. Yes, I do trust HP Lexicon. I’m quite certain J.K. Rowling was being sarcastic when she said that, but at the very least, you got it from a trusted source
Have fun reading Deathly Hallows!
wow people i cam back haha
1 MORE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guys we should all come back to discuss plot points but we should agree not to add too many spoilers to the comments for the protection of whoever hasnt read it.:D
Ive been trying to stay away from all those spoiler sites, you all heard about the guy who photographed the book right?
right u r rae-mac :p(#1034)
srry i was in a bad mood
But yea
today’s the day. i am so completely depressed. and excited, so completely excited.
Please don’t die ron!
luv ya’all
Janelle
Is it okay to start talking now?
Well, I won’t say anything yet, because I know people are still reading it, but after 12 hours, I know it all. Overwhelming feelings of sadness and elation are what I’m contending with now, as I’m sure will be the feelings of everyone upon finishing the last segment of an unforgettable story. I’m only glad to have experienced it as it unfolded, and feel strangely humbled. God bless you all.
Morganna
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
hey, harry here.
not even a full 48 hours since i get the book and im done.
wow
i simply cannot accept the thought that anybody in the universe could have created a final installment to the final chapter of harry potter.
J.K. Rowling, dont know if u read this site, but my hat is definitely of to you. i experienced every emotion as i read through your book, fear anxiety, shortness of breath, sadness, happiness, confusion, complete understanding, hatred and love.
i cannot truly express the joy i have had with harry potter, and it is truly sad that i have to watch him go. i crave nothing more than another adventure with harry.
Mrs. rowling, thank you, for giving me some of the most cherished times of my life. in reading harry potter i have felt like harry has become a close friend. now i have to feel like ill never talk to him again. once again thank you for giving me harry, thank you so much.
much love to j.k. rowling from harry (aka john C, from rogers arkansas usa. email: chaos.roar@yahoo.com)
anybody who has posted here feel free to contact me, specially you nelly my sweetheart.
and btw, im so totally coming back here every chance i get, just to talk with people about the book.
AND HA!!!!!!!!!!
harry is a horcrux B****es!!!!!!!!!!!
we win! we win! we win!
and i have one more mystery that maybe i just didnt get or maybe its a goal from j.k. what the heck was that baby thing making all the noise near the end of the book. i mean dumbledoor was all like “we cant help it, theres no help to be done.” im so confused j.k. has once again enthralled me to reread every H.P. book i own wich is all six in hardback form.
oh and J.K. thanks for making standing in line for 4 hours in walmart worth it
much love to everybody
lol whoops, its all seven not six hahaha
hi harry! i’ll email ya darlin’. lol.
i was so incredibly excited to get the book!!!!!! i woke up at 6:30, got a bracelot with a color to stand in line, got the book at around 12:10ish, and finsihed in less than 24 hours. me and a friend were up until 5:30 in the morning reading, slept for 2 1/2 hours, then got up and read again.
However i recieved quite a scare. some horrible person had told my sister two people who had died, she was like “janelle, did you get to the part where fred died yet?” i thought she said that Ron died. and started hypervetilating .literally. i couldn’t breathe, almost puked and ended up laughing hysterically when i finally found out it was fred, not ron who had died. that was scary. i started hyperventilating/going into hysterics again, when i only had 75 pages to go and was completely depressed about the series ending. i also completely flipped out when i thought harry died, someone else had to go to the next chapter nad tell me, “no, harry is not dead.”
BUT WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!! me, and other people on this site who said it would happen were RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! mwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i had debated about that forever with my friends and almost all of them disagreed with me so i had to send them a very gloating email last night. LoL. it was quite fun.
Thank you J.K. Rowling for giving me the chance to live in the world of my dreams. thank for the memories, the crazy debates, and the hysterics. thank you for the happy ending, and making the world a slightly better place.
thank you for Harry Potter.
Luv ya all! nad i’ll keep posting as long as you guys do, so please don’t leave!!!! harry, thanks for the address, you can expect an email. hahaha.
Love Janelle
oh, forgot to say that me and my friends went to Borders in Prom dresses, that got some weird looks. never gonna forget that night! hahaha
sorry, one more post.
harry, the baby thing (i believe) was the “evil” or part of voldemort soul that was in harry, just like he was in book 4 when he got ressurected. at least that’s what i thought. what do the rest of ya’all think?
Wow i have had it for maybe 24 hours and im done.
the book was, i thought, lacking in Rowling’s usual genius
I’m not sure if i missed it, but who was the one who used magic late in life?
lacking in genius???????????!!!!
no words can say how much i disagree with you.
it was the best yet. amazing. wonderful.
i think it really was great dont get me wrong but the time they spent in the tent was just too long for me.
I wouldve also liked to see harry and Voldemort actually duel. And i thought that the idea of 3 people battling all of britain by themselves was pretty unrealistic.
wait, 3 people battling britain? don’t really know what your talking about. ya, i KINDA sorta, myabe just a teeny bit know what your saying about the tent thing. maybe. but i still loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dunno i did like the book…just not much
and I mean that harry Hermione and Ron
were battling all of the government plus the added bonus of Voldemort’s Death Eaters trying to do them in at every turn
But Nelly, to each his own. A lot of people did love it, just not me
I LOVED it! You do not know how much I loved it. And I disagree. I liked how much time they spent in the tent.
TTYL
~RM
The baby thing at King’s Cross is Voldemort’s soul. It’s all that’s left after the damage he did to it. And it’s a pretty horrible picture of hell and eternal damnation. Who knew that JKR was so unforgiving.
the final bok was soo good. i was so upset wen it sed harry was dead. then i read on. lol. i love the fact that they all grow up and have kids
i wonder what harrys children: lily and james middles names are?
i really love the bit wen harry and voldemort are circuling eachother.
And we were right, harry was a horcrux!
we were right right right!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! yb, i agree with you! rae-mac, i also agree with oyu. (and just so ta’all know, rae-mac is my sister, the one whoi freaked me out about ron dying. LOL>) Boggart, we can agree to disagree.
Nelly,
i think we must on this one
i liked the ending. but theres a rumour going around that JK did not lke it and that she posted the proper one online. ive searched but its not anywhere ive looked. any theories?
WE WERE RIGHT…AND I LOVED IT SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahaah
I still haven’t finished the book, what with 3 readers at my house, but Deathly Hallows is awesome!!!!!!!
I was lucky, I ordered the book, so it came to my house on the the day the book came out!
It may be because I haven’t read the whole book, but Boggart was right about one thing. Who uses magic later in life?
I wasn’t ever positive that Harry was a Horcrux, but I was reading it with my best friend, (Kate, see above) and she ruined that particular surprise by gloating 200 pages ahead of me. It was SO SO AMAZING!!!!
IT could be Crabbe – he hasnt hsown any evidence of doing magic before in the books but makes fiedfyre and other spells in the RoomOfRequirement. Though its unlikely as he wouldn’t have got the Hogwarts letter unless he could do magic.
Also, hands down to JKR for making Voldemort truly evil, i thoguth she may go easy as lots who read the books are young but she kept him as merciless as he should have been, a brilliant character. Glad harry finished him off though!
The dumbledore backstory was also brilliant, shows that he was able to make mistakes and wasnt just amazing at everything and always thoguht the best. made him more human and i liek him more now.
Dobby’s death and freds were very sad, but i guess they are there to show how necessary it was to finish voldemort. Remus and Tonks clearly died so that harry can be to teddy liek sirius waas to him.
Molly was awesome! never expected her to battle.
Also it was obvious with Ron starting to liek Kreacher and Hermione’s thing for elves that their first kiss would be over that kind of moment- very realistic though as its the kind of impulse thing that is hard to capture in a book. and that impulse makes a first kiss so good so was very impressed with that bit of writing.
Sad its over, but happy i was able to be aroudn at time of anticipating and stuff. doubt i will ever have as much exitement for any book,movie,dvd or anythign liek that as i have for each and every harry potter book.
I was sad when Dobby died. To me it seems like too many people have died and harrys lost years of his life worrying about and fighting voldemort. Bless him
Still loved the book though. I liked the idea of The Seven Potters. And the 19 years later chapter, LOVED IT
xx
So, who do you guys think it was that did magic late in life that hadn’t done any before?
Having read the seventh book i know whether or nlt harry is a horcrux and lets just say i was astounding when i found out the answer.
Well i read 20 pages then realised it wasn’t worth it. It’s a lot quicker on wikipedia and you don’t have to put up with the bad writing!
Series is over!!!! yes!!!!
Bill, it IS worth it. congratulations, you got a quick overview of the story when you could have got the whole thing. And what in the world do you mean by “bad writing”? This is one of the best written series i’ve ever put my hands on.
grrr, lynch him, that is what i would do, just lynch him!
lol. I think JKRowlings style of writing is really good! It is one of the best in the series and u missed the good bits by just reading it on wikipedia!
Hi everybody i couldn’t find out exactly why do people become ghosts when they die? it was supposed that in this book we were going to see why they choose to exist as a ghost… Can someone explain me please? Thanks!
Lawtrix,
I ma not sure I can help you, the only significant conversation to the point I remember was held between Harry and nearly headless Nick at the end of OoP. There is a spell, wizard can decide not to go through the veil as a result he is neither here nor there. Nick stated he was afraid, such a reason might be common.
I’m not paying out the series, I used to love it. Then I turned 11. I am just saying a blind dog with all its limbs missing could throw up something that was more coherent and enjoyable than harry potter. It’s not like I don’t like it, you could just have more fun inhaling mustard gas. Sorry harry but you weren’t gifted with the most talented author. I mean i’m sure JK is a great writer, it’s just a young dyslexic child who speaks some mix of polish and kalahari bushspeak could have written a better book.
And ironically, this could be one of the most insane, poorly written comments I’ve read here.
Just for the record.
If it’s really that easy, you do it.
ok bill. if you don’t like it fine. But why do you have to come on here and put us all down?
its just sily.
wow you can tell that dudes a 13 year old trying to act cool, lol. im not even going to go any further, it would make others pee and bill probably commit suicide
bill: You suck.
at least back up your comments, if you don’t like the book that’s fine but at least have a reason.
Harry: I agree.
and everyone else who’s been writing before the book came out, i WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! mwahahahaha. yes, i’m still on about that.
Lots of love,
Nelly
Hello yb, harry a Nelly,
As I saw your three comments and idea occur to me I say hello to you, three great pen friends. Since DH is a published fierce discussion are over, but without you this page would not be what it was.
I agree. with everyone. EXCEPT Bill.
awwwww, thanks Martin. your really sweet. same to you and yb and harry.
im not sweet, im an evil little git! i eat small children for breakfast and sometimes brunch!
lol jk i dont eat small children, well not normally, who knows, maybe one day ill try it. doubt it tho!
and as for you martin, thank you.
btw, bill if you rearrange the letters in your name it spells ilbl, illb, blil, blii, llib libl. none of which make any sense and sounds just stupid. which oddly enough is an exact description of you….odd how that works out isnt it….hmmm…… im hungry!
aww thnx same 2 u!
harry, please don’t eat little children for breackfast, that’s very rude, not to mention revolting.
I agree. with everyone, again. EXCEPT bill, ilbl, illb, blil, blii, llib, or libl.
hey now give bill a break, he is entitled to his opinion too. I can sort of see where he is coming from, harry potter is pretty bad. The storyline is cliched and corny, especially in the last one. Id put it down to how inept ol’ JK is at creating something new. She did it once then repeated the same stuff over and over. but on a happier note, she isnt going to write more harry potter books! high five bill!
John,
You’re right. Bill is entitled to his opinion and some of the responses above are a bit unfriendly. However, it’s not good form to blow in to a site and drop a flaming post full of unsupported opinion and not stay around to discuss your opinion.
Ok, you think Rowling’s writing is repetitive and derivative and “pretty bad” and that she’s inept at creating something new. I cannot see how you could honestly believe this.
Tell us why you think that or forever hold your peace.
Matthew
john: Yes, thank you for that highly intelligent post. May i ask what your doing on a harry potter debate website if you don’t like harry potter in the first place?
I bet he isn’t coming back.
no. I suppose not.
so everyone, on a scae of 1-10. how did you like the seventh book? I’m definitely a ten.
15 for me!
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hmmm…although, did anyone think that Harry sort of didn;t lose very much…like maybe he should have lost his wizarding power or something??? Just an idea…
Interesting idea kate. To be completely and totally honest, i guess i’m just a teensy bit dissapointed in jk that a main character didn’t die, but i’m also extremely ecstatic about taht!
well a main character did die.
voldemort
i give the book a 9
wow, this is depressing me, noone comes to this site anymore and i highly doubt anyone will ever see this post. but thank you for everyone who did used to come on it, i had so much debating and talking and luaghing with you. i’ll miss you all and good luck to everyone, i hope we all get our hogwarts ending!
Nelly, actually, we still get over 1,200 unique visitors a week to this site, but this particular thread, of course, isn’t getting anymore attention, because we know the answer to the question, “Is Harry a Horcrux?” Feel free to check the other posts and comment there!
Well, I am sure that there are more people like me that have a RSS on the comments, so all comment entries show up on my firefox. I will read every comment, although as Travis said some discussions have died out.
V.
And for those who do have the comments on RSS, I apologize for the terrible amount of spam lately. I have no idea why my spam catcher isn’t grabbing it. I’m doing what I can to limit it.
Hahaha, yes I’ve noticed ! I run Akismet on my blog, I don’t know what you use, maybe you can install a back-up spam filter ??
V.
I run Askimet also. I don’t know why it’s suddenly missing stuff! Maybe a backup is a good idea. I’ll have to look around for one.
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