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	<title>Comments on: Rowling and Bloomsbury Accused of Plagiarism</title>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everyone. Clearly there&#039;s no case. JKR planned her novels before even writing GOF. The writing is horrible and the events bear no resemblance to what JKR was writing. It&#039;s like reading different stories because (duh!) they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everyone. Clearly there&#8217;s no case. JKR planned her novels before even writing GOF. The writing is horrible and the events bear no resemblance to what JKR was writing. It&#8217;s like reading different stories because (duh!) they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Luna</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/rowling-and-bloomsbury-accused-of-plagiarism-2183/comment-page-1/#comment-435774</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you, &lt;strong&gt;Red Rocker&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;revgeorge&lt;/strong&gt;.  Rowling&#039;s work can&#039;t even be read as alluding to Willy the Wizard much less plagiarizing.  Tolkein&#039;s estate would have a better case (not a good or even colorable case, just a better case) if it sued over Rowling&#039;s use of giant spiders.  Better of course is a very easy standard to achieve here, since Willy&#039;s case seems to have about zero merit.

As for Rowling&#039;s wizard chess, it owes a lot more of its inspiration to Lewis Carroll&#039;s Through the Looking Glass than to Willy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you, <strong>Red Rocker</strong> and <strong>revgeorge</strong>.  Rowling&#8217;s work can&#8217;t even be read as alluding to Willy the Wizard much less plagiarizing.  Tolkein&#8217;s estate would have a better case (not a good or even colorable case, just a better case) if it sued over Rowling&#8217;s use of giant spiders.  Better of course is a very easy standard to achieve here, since Willy&#8217;s case seems to have about zero merit.</p>
<p>As for Rowling&#8217;s wizard chess, it owes a lot more of its inspiration to Lewis Carroll&#8217;s Through the Looking Glass than to Willy.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarriseallisbrooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarriseallisbrooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian Jacobs is DEAD! Get a life, losers. I&#039;ve read the book --&gt; Adrian&#039;s. it&#039;s a ridiculous book, making little sense and it&#039;s bores people. HP and the Goblet of Fire is MUCH better. What a bunch of lies. They&#039;re jealous of JKR. Losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian Jacobs is DEAD! Get a life, losers. I&#8217;ve read the book &#8211;&gt; Adrian&#8217;s. it&#8217;s a ridiculous book, making little sense and it&#8217;s bores people. HP and the Goblet of Fire is MUCH better. What a bunch of lies. They&#8217;re jealous of JKR. Losers.</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What horrible prose!  Almost incoherent at points.</description>
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		<title>By: Red Rocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quality of the writing is an obvious difference. Now how about the plot similarities? Here&#039;s the quote:

&lt;i&gt;“Both Willy and Harry are required to work out the exact nature of the main task of the contest which they both achieve in a bathroom assisted by clues from helpers, in order to discover how to rescue human hostages imprisoned by a community of half-human, half-animal fantasy creatures,” the estate statement said.&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s the bathroom excerpt:

&lt;i&gt;Willy sat in his bath. It was here in his yellow bathroom-come-study that he did his best thinking. He lay full length; at the feet end there was a flat wall which lit up at the touch of a knob by his left hand. A switch by the right hand tap engaged by a twiddle from his big right toe motivated a slide out screen.

Relaxed he was able to study, as the green treated water toned his body with Aqua Superba, a newly developed water additive from Health Clinic in Puerto Rico. This additive only available to wizards with 5 stars had the ability to drain all superstar mind-clogging pressures and re-charge the system for endurance, excitement contests.

The screen concealed the selector mechanism. Willy had fed in the contest details that he had been given at the wizards’ conference and having adjusted the selector, every detail of the text was magnified so that he could peruse it at his leisure.

GAIN ENTRANCE TO LIVID LAND! AND RELEASE  FEMALE  PRISONERS  FROM ANGRY SAM’S COMPOUND. FORTY POINTS AWARDED FOR EACH PRISONER RESCUED. Willy pressed the activator remote control and scanned the prize awards list. Wizards achieving more than 1000 stars would receive life membership of Stellar Land. Every wizard’s dream of retirement....&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s the bit on snake tongue communication:

&lt;i&gt; “The Quebec communicator was a one-off invention and could not be reproduced  for it was powered by a vein extracted from the tongue of the now extinct Sahara serpent snake. The vein coiled with a strip of specially treated gauze would provide Aquatera waves for visual and speaking communication.”…………they could talk, but only for about twenty seconds….&lt;/i&gt;

And here&#039;s the bit on wizard chess:

&lt;i&gt; Willy had been on Cloud 84 which was for Wizard Chess Players.

These were pullman-like trains made of see-through platinum, and inside the trains were chess rooms. Willie was handicapped 18. There were Wizard Chess Masters who were virtually unbeatable. Willie had made a daring move. He didn’t want to watch his opponent’s response and his mind wandered at the moment that Angel Sandy had tapped violently on the train window....&lt;/i&gt;

My first thought was how unlikely it is that JKR - or anyone else - would have read or remembered this awkward prose. My second thought was that yes, the ideas are similar, but details are everything. Between the Prefects&#039; bathroom and Willy&#039;s yellow bathroom, between being a Parselmouth and the Quebec communicator, and between the Wizard&#039;s Chess with the deadly pieces  and the Wizard&#039;s Chess in the see through pullman cabs there is an incredibly wide gap. It&#039;s not just the details; it&#039;s a matter of clear and compelling vision. One is fully realized; one is a crude cartoon sketch. One is magical, the other pedestrian. 

Again: I just don&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quality of the writing is an obvious difference. Now how about the plot similarities? Here&#8217;s the quote:</p>
<p><i>“Both Willy and Harry are required to work out the exact nature of the main task of the contest which they both achieve in a bathroom assisted by clues from helpers, in order to discover how to rescue human hostages imprisoned by a community of half-human, half-animal fantasy creatures,” the estate statement said.</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the bathroom excerpt:</p>
<p><i>Willy sat in his bath. It was here in his yellow bathroom-come-study that he did his best thinking. He lay full length; at the feet end there was a flat wall which lit up at the touch of a knob by his left hand. A switch by the right hand tap engaged by a twiddle from his big right toe motivated a slide out screen.</p>
<p>Relaxed he was able to study, as the green treated water toned his body with Aqua Superba, a newly developed water additive from Health Clinic in Puerto Rico. This additive only available to wizards with 5 stars had the ability to drain all superstar mind-clogging pressures and re-charge the system for endurance, excitement contests.</p>
<p>The screen concealed the selector mechanism. Willy had fed in the contest details that he had been given at the wizards’ conference and having adjusted the selector, every detail of the text was magnified so that he could peruse it at his leisure.</p>
<p>GAIN ENTRANCE TO LIVID LAND! AND RELEASE  FEMALE  PRISONERS  FROM ANGRY SAM’S COMPOUND. FORTY POINTS AWARDED FOR EACH PRISONER RESCUED. Willy pressed the activator remote control and scanned the prize awards list. Wizards achieving more than 1000 stars would receive life membership of Stellar Land. Every wizard’s dream of retirement&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the bit on snake tongue communication:</p>
<p><i> “The Quebec communicator was a one-off invention and could not be reproduced  for it was powered by a vein extracted from the tongue of the now extinct Sahara serpent snake. The vein coiled with a strip of specially treated gauze would provide Aquatera waves for visual and speaking communication.”…………they could talk, but only for about twenty seconds….</i></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s the bit on wizard chess:</p>
<p><i> Willy had been on Cloud 84 which was for Wizard Chess Players.</p>
<p>These were pullman-like trains made of see-through platinum, and inside the trains were chess rooms. Willie was handicapped 18. There were Wizard Chess Masters who were virtually unbeatable. Willie had made a daring move. He didn’t want to watch his opponent’s response and his mind wandered at the moment that Angel Sandy had tapped violently on the train window&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>My first thought was how unlikely it is that JKR &#8211; or anyone else &#8211; would have read or remembered this awkward prose. My second thought was that yes, the ideas are similar, but details are everything. Between the Prefects&#8217; bathroom and Willy&#8217;s yellow bathroom, between being a Parselmouth and the Quebec communicator, and between the Wizard&#8217;s Chess with the deadly pieces  and the Wizard&#8217;s Chess in the see through pullman cabs there is an incredibly wide gap. It&#8217;s not just the details; it&#8217;s a matter of clear and compelling vision. One is fully realized; one is a crude cartoon sketch. One is magical, the other pedestrian. </p>
<p>Again: I just don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghazal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghazal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it almost funny that all great (or &quot;great&quot;) books seem to have someone claiming copyright for them. Perhaps it was a coincidence, and even if it was not- she paraphrased and the original author should be happy their idea is such a hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it almost funny that all great (or &#8220;great&#8221;) books seem to have someone claiming copyright for them. Perhaps it was a coincidence, and even if it was not- she paraphrased and the original author should be happy their idea is such a hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Luna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rowling would never write anything as poor as the excerpt &lt;strong&gt;Red Rocker&lt;/strong&gt; quoted above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowling would never write anything as poor as the excerpt <strong>Red Rocker</strong> quoted above.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to be cynical, but the cynic in me is saying that the estate of Adrian Jacobs is just trying to get a settlement since Rowling has made billions.  I don&#039;t doubt that there are similarities between the stories, there are lots of similarities between many stories.  There was a post a month ago here making fun of the similarities between the new Star Trek and the original Star Wars.  If you have two stories about wizards it&#039;s bound to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to be cynical, but the cynic in me is saying that the estate of Adrian Jacobs is just trying to get a settlement since Rowling has made billions.  I don&#8217;t doubt that there are similarities between the stories, there are lots of similarities between many stories.  There was a post a month ago here making fun of the similarities between the new Star Trek and the original Star Wars.  If you have two stories about wizards it&#8217;s bound to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave the Longwinded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave the Longwinded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real clincher for me is the estate&#039;s claim concerning contests and hostages in the hands of fantasy creatures:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“It is alleged that all of these are concepts first created by Adrian Jacobs in Willy the Wizard, some 10 years before J.K. Rowling first published any of the Harry Potter novels and 13 years before Goblet of Fire was published.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jacobs &quot;created&quot; these concepts?  Hasn&#039;t the idea of a &quot;contest&quot; used to demonstrate a character&#039;s worthiness in freeing &quot;human hostages&quot; held by &quot;half-human, half-fantasy&quot; creatures been around for -- oh, I don&#039;t know -- &lt;i&gt;a frikkin&#039; millenia or two&lt;/i&gt;?!  

It&#039;s been about 8 months since I taught it, but I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s also a reasonable description of Dante&#039;s descent into Hell in &lt;i&gt;Inferno&lt;/i&gt; (which is getting a video game adaptation, BTW -- go figure).  

Hmmm, let&#039;s see.  There is an element of that in both &lt;i&gt;Gilgamesh&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Beowulf&lt;/i&gt;.  I&#039;m not familiar enough with ancient Greek literature to know specifically, but I&#039;m pretty sure the trope is rather common there, too.  

I tend to initially look at legal cases pretty seriously.  But the more I think about this one, the more absurd it seems based purely on the claims given in the Yahoo! article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real clincher for me is the estate&#8217;s claim concerning contests and hostages in the hands of fantasy creatures:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It is alleged that all of these are concepts first created by Adrian Jacobs in Willy the Wizard, some 10 years before J.K. Rowling first published any of the Harry Potter novels and 13 years before Goblet of Fire was published.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Jacobs &#8220;created&#8221; these concepts?  Hasn&#8217;t the idea of a &#8220;contest&#8221; used to demonstrate a character&#8217;s worthiness in freeing &#8220;human hostages&#8221; held by &#8220;half-human, half-fantasy&#8221; creatures been around for &#8212; oh, I don&#8217;t know &#8212; <i>a frikkin&#8217; millenia or two</i>?!  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been about 8 months since I taught it, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s also a reasonable description of Dante&#8217;s descent into Hell in <i>Inferno</i> (which is getting a video game adaptation, BTW &#8212; go figure).  </p>
<p>Hmmm, let&#8217;s see.  There is an element of that in both <i>Gilgamesh</i> and <i>Beowulf</i>.  I&#8217;m not familiar enough with ancient Greek literature to know specifically, but I&#8217;m pretty sure the trope is rather common there, too.  </p>
<p>I tend to initially look at legal cases pretty seriously.  But the more I think about this one, the more absurd it seems based purely on the claims given in the Yahoo! article.</p>
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		<title>By: korg20000bc</title>
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		<dc:creator>korg20000bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a similar conversation back in the day here:
http://thehogshead.org/around-the-common-room-34/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a similar conversation back in the day here:<br />
<a href="http://thehogshead.org/around-the-common-room-34/" rel="nofollow">http://thehogshead.org/around-the-common-room-34/</a></p>
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