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		<title>By: drangiana</title>
		<link>http://thehogshead.org/the-curtain-between-two-worlds-1570/comment-page-1/#comment-411450</link>
		<dc:creator>drangiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed your discussion of the larger themes in HP.  For the last 5 or so years, I have been re-reading the classics (Narnia, Hobbit, LOTR, Silmarillion, Ring of the Nieblung, etc.) and have literally re-read the entire HP series about 10 times...maybe a little obsessive-compulsive, I admit...first for story, second for character development, third for plot lines, nuances, etc.  and I have to say, the HP series is so well-constructed it actually holds this level of interest, even though some people I know think I am crazy for reading any book more than once (but I consider these people illiterate, so there you go).  Of course I have moved on, since my reading habit has become a bit insatiable recently.  Most recently, the Twilight series several times over and now historical-fiction: Philippa Gregory&#039;s exploration of Tudor England and Nicole Galland&#039;s work on the Crusades are my diet.  
My main interest is these works is more anthropological (I am a post-modernist archaeologist of Middle Eastern antiquity...just imagine how poor I am) and appreciate how these works through using mythological themes (mythemes, see Levi-Strauss) or constructed historical themes, reflect back to the reader very tangible messages that are relevant to us through their use of symbolism (allegory or parable, your choice but look up &quot;meme&quot;, see Roland Barthes).  It is really a larger theme of our human tendency to reify the intangible.  I am quite happy that we have a history of writing stories in this genre, because they all contribute to a larger store of human knowledge about ourselves and our present (physical and spiritual) condition.  

Thanks for your contributions...one critique though, since this is kind of a literary thread, could you guys put some effort into your spelling??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed your discussion of the larger themes in HP.  For the last 5 or so years, I have been re-reading the classics (Narnia, Hobbit, LOTR, Silmarillion, Ring of the Nieblung, etc.) and have literally re-read the entire HP series about 10 times&#8230;maybe a little obsessive-compulsive, I admit&#8230;first for story, second for character development, third for plot lines, nuances, etc.  and I have to say, the HP series is so well-constructed it actually holds this level of interest, even though some people I know think I am crazy for reading any book more than once (but I consider these people illiterate, so there you go).  Of course I have moved on, since my reading habit has become a bit insatiable recently.  Most recently, the Twilight series several times over and now historical-fiction: Philippa Gregory&#8217;s exploration of Tudor England and Nicole Galland&#8217;s work on the Crusades are my diet.<br />
My main interest is these works is more anthropological (I am a post-modernist archaeologist of Middle Eastern antiquity&#8230;just imagine how poor I am) and appreciate how these works through using mythological themes (mythemes, see Levi-Strauss) or constructed historical themes, reflect back to the reader very tangible messages that are relevant to us through their use of symbolism (allegory or parable, your choice but look up &#8220;meme&#8221;, see Roland Barthes).  It is really a larger theme of our human tendency to reify the intangible.  I am quite happy that we have a history of writing stories in this genre, because they all contribute to a larger store of human knowledge about ourselves and our present (physical and spiritual) condition.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your contributions&#8230;one critique though, since this is kind of a literary thread, could you guys put some effort into your spelling??</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comments and quotes, &lt;strong&gt;Matthew&lt;/strong&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;I also think it’s a bit rich of Rowling to say she was trying to subvert the genre. If she really thinks that she has had a very limited exposure to her chosen genre.&lt;/em&gt;

And that&#039;s precisely it.  She&#039;s admitted she hasn&#039;t read much in the genre, wasn&#039;t intending to write in that genre, and didn&#039;t realize she was writing in it till she had written a bunch.  

The real &quot;subversion&quot; going on is her translating the Great Books themes into a fantasy world and blending them with postmodern concerns into several other genres.  Her genre-blending, while not unique to her, is probably not to the liking of fantasy-genre purists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comments and quotes, <strong>Matthew</strong>.</p>
<p><em>I also think it’s a bit rich of Rowling to say she was trying to subvert the genre. If she really thinks that she has had a very limited exposure to her chosen genre.</em></p>
<p>And that&#8217;s precisely it.  She&#8217;s admitted she hasn&#8217;t read much in the genre, wasn&#8217;t intending to write in that genre, and didn&#8217;t realize she was writing in it till she had written a bunch.  </p>
<p>The real &#8220;subversion&#8221; going on is her translating the Great Books themes into a fantasy world and blending them with postmodern concerns into several other genres.  Her genre-blending, while not unique to her, is probably not to the liking of fantasy-genre purists.</p>
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		<title>By: korg20000bc</title>
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		<dc:creator>korg20000bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, thought about Tolkien when I read Travis&#039; post. 
Tolkien&#039;s work has been a little different from other&#039;s works in that the stories are not about getting into a different world but stories of this world in another age. And it is this world that has gone through radical changes.  I think I recall in the Silmarillion somewhere that the world was once straight but now all ways are bent.  Once Faerie and our world were the same world but now Faerie is unreachable by mortals.  But Faerie somethimes touches our world and our myths were once part of everyday life.
&quot; &#039;Halflings!&#039; laughed the rider that stood beside Eomer.  &#039;Halflings! But they are only a little people in old songs and children&#039;s tales out of the North.  Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?&#039;
   &#039;A man may do both,&#039; said Aragorn.  &#039;For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time.  The green earth, say you?  That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day!&#039; &quot;
 
Eomer- &quot; &#039;It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels.  The world is all grown strange.  Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark!  How shall a man judge what to do in such times?&#039;
   &#039;As he has ever judged,&#039; said Aragorn.  &#039;Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another thing among Men.  It is a man&#039;s part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.&#039; &quot;
Tolkien&#039;s works are littered with the importance of fairytales and the fairytales of fairytales.
Robert Holdstock&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Mythago Wood&lt;/em&gt; is an interesting exploration of  the location and source of our world&#039;s mythical figures and how when their world becomes threatened it is someone from our world who plays the part of mythic hero... Sounds a bit to much like Neverending Story... but good.

I also think it&#039;s a bit rich of Rowling to say she was trying to subvert the genre.  If she really thinks that she has had a very limited exposure to her chosen genre.  The corrupting nature of power is an often explored theme in fantasy.  I read Megan Lindholm (AKA Robin Hobb) in an interview where she said that her Farseer Trilogy (Assassin series) was completely a study of the negative trade-off for power.

As for magic rings- 
&#039;Hey!  Come Frodo, There!  Where be you a-going?  Old Tom Bombadil&#039;s not as blind as that yet.  Take off your golden ring!  Your hand&#039;s more fair without it...&#039;

Gandalf &#039;A Ring of Power looks after itself, Frodo.  &lt;em&gt;It&lt;/em&gt; may slip off trecherously, but its keeper never abandons it.&#039; ...Gollum...&#039;called the Ring his &quot;birthday present&quot;, and he stuck to that.  He said it came from his grandmother, who had lots of beautiful things of that kind.  A rediculous story.  I have no doubt that Smeagol&#039;s grandmother was a matriarch, a great person in her way, but to talk of her posessing many Elven-rings was absurd and as for giving them away, it was a lie.&#039;

Magic rings = Corruption, power and peril all in the one package.  Reminds me of the Perivel ring withering Dumbledore&#039;s hand when he exorcised the Voldemort spirit shard from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, thought about Tolkien when I read Travis&#8217; post.<br />
Tolkien&#8217;s work has been a little different from other&#8217;s works in that the stories are not about getting into a different world but stories of this world in another age. And it is this world that has gone through radical changes.  I think I recall in the Silmarillion somewhere that the world was once straight but now all ways are bent.  Once Faerie and our world were the same world but now Faerie is unreachable by mortals.  But Faerie somethimes touches our world and our myths were once part of everyday life.<br />
&#8221; &#8216;Halflings!&#8217; laughed the rider that stood beside Eomer.  &#8216;Halflings! But they are only a little people in old songs and children&#8217;s tales out of the North.  Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?&#8217;<br />
   &#8216;A man may do both,&#8217; said Aragorn.  &#8216;For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time.  The green earth, say you?  That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day!&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>Eomer- &#8221; &#8216;It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels.  The world is all grown strange.  Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark!  How shall a man judge what to do in such times?&#8217;<br />
   &#8216;As he has ever judged,&#8217; said Aragorn.  &#8216;Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another thing among Men.  It is a man&#8217;s part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.&#8217; &#8221;<br />
Tolkien&#8217;s works are littered with the importance of fairytales and the fairytales of fairytales.<br />
Robert Holdstock&#8217;s <em>Mythago Wood</em> is an interesting exploration of  the location and source of our world&#8217;s mythical figures and how when their world becomes threatened it is someone from our world who plays the part of mythic hero&#8230; Sounds a bit to much like Neverending Story&#8230; but good.</p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s a bit rich of Rowling to say she was trying to subvert the genre.  If she really thinks that she has had a very limited exposure to her chosen genre.  The corrupting nature of power is an often explored theme in fantasy.  I read Megan Lindholm (AKA Robin Hobb) in an interview where she said that her Farseer Trilogy (Assassin series) was completely a study of the negative trade-off for power.</p>
<p>As for magic rings-<br />
&#8216;Hey!  Come Frodo, There!  Where be you a-going?  Old Tom Bombadil&#8217;s not as blind as that yet.  Take off your golden ring!  Your hand&#8217;s more fair without it&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>Gandalf &#8216;A Ring of Power looks after itself, Frodo.  <em>It</em> may slip off trecherously, but its keeper never abandons it.&#8217; &#8230;Gollum&#8230;&#8217;called the Ring his &#8220;birthday present&#8221;, and he stuck to that.  He said it came from his grandmother, who had lots of beautiful things of that kind.  A rediculous story.  I have no doubt that Smeagol&#8217;s grandmother was a matriarch, a great person in her way, but to talk of her posessing many Elven-rings was absurd and as for giving them away, it was a lie.&#8217;</p>
<p>Magic rings = Corruption, power and peril all in the one package.  Reminds me of the Perivel ring withering Dumbledore&#8217;s hand when he exorcised the Voldemort spirit shard from it.</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, I&#039;d just qualify my remarks a bit.  Don&#039;t give up on the Villlaluz book yet, but also don&#039;t buy it, if at all possible, before you read it.  After all, I have only gotten through 50 pages.  It&#039;s possible it does pick up.  And the reason I called the reviews on her book sycophantic is not because they&#039;re positive or even glowing; it&#039;s that they ignore what is obviously a problem with the book &amp; off putting to people &amp; that is Villaluz&#039;s prose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, I&#8217;d just qualify my remarks a bit.  Don&#8217;t give up on the Villlaluz book yet, but also don&#8217;t buy it, if at all possible, before you read it.  After all, I have only gotten through 50 pages.  It&#8217;s possible it does pick up.  And the reason I called the reviews on her book sycophantic is not because they&#8217;re positive or even glowing; it&#8217;s that they ignore what is obviously a problem with the book &amp; off putting to people &amp; that is Villaluz&#8217;s prose.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Revgeorge&lt;/b&gt;, sorry to hear that about Villaluz.  Thought maybe I&#039;d try to find a library with her book and to get a different perspective on the series.  But if you&#039;re having problems slogging through, I&#039;m scared how I could ever get through it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Revgeorge</b>, sorry to hear that about Villaluz.  Thought maybe I&#8217;d try to find a library with her book and to get a different perspective on the series.  But if you&#8217;re having problems slogging through, I&#8217;m scared how I could ever get through it.</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

Nancy Solon Villaluz, &quot;Does Harry Potter Tickle Sleeping Dragons?&quot; Priced at a ridiculous $25 on Amazon.  I&#039;ve only managed to get fifty pages into it; probably the same for Travis.  She might have some interesting things to say but her prose drives me insane.  It&#039;s painful for me to try to push through it.  But I admit that might not be everyone&#039;s reaction.  Most of the reviews on Amazon are practically sycophatic.  The one really excellent review by inked, who posts over at Hogpro&#039;s, seems to have been taken down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Nancy Solon Villaluz, &#8220;Does Harry Potter Tickle Sleeping Dragons?&#8221; Priced at a ridiculous $25 on Amazon.  I&#8217;ve only managed to get fifty pages into it; probably the same for Travis.  She might have some interesting things to say but her prose drives me insane.  It&#8217;s painful for me to try to push through it.  But I admit that might not be everyone&#8217;s reaction.  Most of the reviews on Amazon are practically sycophatic.  The one really excellent review by inked, who posts over at Hogpro&#8217;s, seems to have been taken down.</p>
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		<title>By: Eeyore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eeyore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Travis&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for pointing out all the connections. I&#039;ve only read &lt;em&gt;Five Children and It&lt;/em&gt;, so it looks like I need to read some more by Nesbit.

&lt;strong&gt;Red Rocker&lt;/strong&gt;, you get more informative results when you google than I do, so thanks for all the info. Mataphore does seem to be the appropriate word, though I kind of like the sound of paragory. ;-)

But in reading through the comments, the name Villaluz was mentioned. I seemed to have missed something, but who is that? When I googled that name all I found was a soccer player, and I don&#039;t see any tie in with HP.

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Travis</strong>, thanks for pointing out all the connections. I&#8217;ve only read <em>Five Children and It</em>, so it looks like I need to read some more by Nesbit.</p>
<p><strong>Red Rocker</strong>, you get more informative results when you google than I do, so thanks for all the info. Mataphore does seem to be the appropriate word, though I kind of like the sound of paragory. <img src='http://thehogshead.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But in reading through the comments, the name Villaluz was mentioned. I seemed to have missed something, but who is that? When I googled that name all I found was a soccer player, and I don&#8217;t see any tie in with HP.</p>
<p>Pat</p>
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		<title>By: miles365</title>
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		<dc:creator>miles365</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never got the impression from the books that the magic that the bad guys do is different from the magic used by the good guys.  If anything, I’d say that Rowling fights against that notion.  For instance, the spell Hermione performs on the DA coins is compared to one used by Voldemort.  Then there’s the argument Hermione makes against Umbridge’s textbook. 

Slinkhard writes that ‘counterjinx’ is the name people give their jinxes when they want them to sound more acceptable, while Hermione argues that jinxes can be useful when used defensively.  Slinkhard wants to declare all jinxes bad, while Hermione says that they can be good if used for a good purpose.  Even the Unforgivable Curses seem to support this idea.  It’s clear that these curses are banned because no end should be worth torturing another human or depriving another human of life or freedom.  But the tone of the book doesn’t suggest that there’s anything wrong with Moody using them on the spider, or even using them on students in order to teach them to better defend themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never got the impression from the books that the magic that the bad guys do is different from the magic used by the good guys.  If anything, I’d say that Rowling fights against that notion.  For instance, the spell Hermione performs on the DA coins is compared to one used by Voldemort.  Then there’s the argument Hermione makes against Umbridge’s textbook. </p>
<p>Slinkhard writes that ‘counterjinx’ is the name people give their jinxes when they want them to sound more acceptable, while Hermione argues that jinxes can be useful when used defensively.  Slinkhard wants to declare all jinxes bad, while Hermione says that they can be good if used for a good purpose.  Even the Unforgivable Curses seem to support this idea.  It’s clear that these curses are banned because no end should be worth torturing another human or depriving another human of life or freedom.  But the tone of the book doesn’t suggest that there’s anything wrong with Moody using them on the spider, or even using them on students in order to teach them to better defend themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis said, &quot;I should clarify that I read that Villaluz made that argument. I haven’t actually read the argument in the book.&quot;

Ah, come on, Travis!  As the semi-professional HP expert on this site, I expect you to slog through Villaluz&#039;s book, no matter how painful it might be or mentally damaging. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis said, &#8220;I should clarify that I read that Villaluz made that argument. I haven’t actually read the argument in the book.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, come on, Travis!  As the semi-professional HP expert on this site, I expect you to slog through Villaluz&#8217;s book, no matter how painful it might be or mentally damaging. <img src='http://thehogshead.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awhile back I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://homepage.mac.com/mhcole/misc/nesbit_lewis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this web page&lt;/a&gt;, which tabulates possible Nesbit influences on Lewis, and includes links to the Nesbit books in question. Also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?author=Nesbit&amp;amode=start&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; has a fuller list of links to Nesbit e-texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awhile back I found <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/mhcole/misc/nesbit_lewis.html" rel="nofollow">this web page</a>, which tabulates possible Nesbit influences on Lewis, and includes links to the Nesbit books in question. Also, <a href="http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?author=Nesbit&amp;amode=start" rel="nofollow">this page</a> has a fuller list of links to Nesbit e-texts.</p>
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