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	<title>Comments on: The Fountain Told a Lie: Deconstructing the Wizarding World</title>
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		<title>By: Who will watch Watchmen? — The Hog's Head</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who will watch Watchmen? — The Hog's Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the accepted wizarding narrative that human wizards are somehow superior (see Travis&#8217;s post &#8220;The Fountain Told a Lie&#8221;).  In other words, HP &#8220;deconstructs&#8221; the popular wizard belief that they are superior [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the accepted wizarding narrative that human wizards are somehow superior (see Travis&#8217;s post &#8220;The Fountain Told a Lie&#8221;).  In other words, HP &#8220;deconstructs&#8221; the popular wizard belief that they are superior [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed in the most part.  However I think Trelawney is a special case.  She didn&#039;t think (as she told Harry in book 6) that she was going to get hired, thought Dumbledore was seeing her out of politeness.  Then she &#039;must have fallen asleep&#039; (given the prophecy) and he suddenly hires her.  I think that once she&#039;d given it he wanted to keep her under close protection/ supervision lest the Death Eaters realize it was her and get it out of her and that the best way to do that was to keep her at Hogwarts.  

Yes, he&#039;s also compassionate- always, but in this case he said he had been thinking (as an administrator) of getting rid of the subject altogether.  I think he would have kept her at Hogwarts post Dolores sacking her out of compassion too, but it was critical that he keep her with everyone on the lookout for the prophecy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed in the most part.  However I think Trelawney is a special case.  She didn&#8217;t think (as she told Harry in book 6) that she was going to get hired, thought Dumbledore was seeing her out of politeness.  Then she &#8216;must have fallen asleep&#8217; (given the prophecy) and he suddenly hires her.  I think that once she&#8217;d given it he wanted to keep her under close protection/ supervision lest the Death Eaters realize it was her and get it out of her and that the best way to do that was to keep her at Hogwarts.  </p>
<p>Yes, he&#8217;s also compassionate- always, but in this case he said he had been thinking (as an administrator) of getting rid of the subject altogether.  I think he would have kept her at Hogwarts post Dolores sacking her out of compassion too, but it was critical that he keep her with everyone on the lookout for the prophecy.</p>
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		<title>By: maidros</title>
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		<dc:creator>maidros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent post, and you have covered the basic points perfectly.  My compliments on the job.  However, a few minor remarks maybe in order.

&quot;Weâ€™ve already mentioned Voldemort and his belief about power. We can add to that his taking up Slytherinâ€™s crusade against Muggle-borns. The belief that only pureblood wizards should be accepted and valued is nothing short of an oppressive metanarrative, meant to destroy Muggles and Muggle-born wizards.&quot;

Voldemort strikes me more as a power-hungry maniac, willing to do anything to gain power (There is only power and those too weak to seek it (Voldemort, PS)).  While his detestation of muggles is well-known, it is a daring bit of extrapolation to equate it to his desire to `wipe-out muggle-borns&#039;.  I see him more akin to Timur-i-lang (Tamerlane), for whom the world and all its capacity existed only to boost the greater good (and glory) of Timur.  In fact, I seem to recall that the author made a remark about there being muggle-born Death Eaters (cannot find the post now, will try to find it).  However, the rabid antipathy of certain purebloods makes it easy for Voldemort to utilise that prejudice and exploit the fanatics as his power-base.  Then, we have him attacking Harry (the half-blood) and not Neville (the pureblood) for preference.  

Voldemort must be uncomfortably aware of his own half-blood status - and judging by Bella&#039;s reaction in the DoM, she knows of it as well - and he is ruling over the purebloods only because they are afraid of him.  

Further, think of his followers.  Who follows Voldemort?  The corrupt (symbolised by Malfoys), the crazed (Bellatrix), and the cowardly (Pettigrew).  Given the diverse crowd at his disposal, we have to ask ourselves, how much of his desire is pure power-lust, and how much of it is ideologically driven.

&quot;Rowling has been explicit in saying that the house-elf story is about slavery&quot;

The problem with this theory is that they are, in some cases at least, `happy slaves&#039;.  Hogwarts elves throw out Hermione when she preaches the values of liberty to them (GoF).  While it is indeed laudable of Hermione to attempt to free them from their enslavement, the question is - can liberty be forcibly given to them?  Can they even keep it and will it be beneficial to them?  Further, once liberated, what becomes of house-elves?  Hermione does not seem to consider the latter point at all.  Naive idealism is unlikely to work.

&quot;Dumbledore entreated Fudge to â€œextend [the giants] the hand of friendship;â€ otherwise, â€œVoldemort will persuade them, as he did before, that he alone among wizards will give them their rights and their freedom!â€

There is a rather bitter irony here.  We know that the giants were banished during the previous war (Rita&#039;s article, GoF) for supporting Voldemort.  Is there any evidence that Dumbledore (or anyone else, for that matter) wanted to end the banishment of the giants before the return of Voldemort?  We have no evidence of it.  In fact, the statement `if you do not help them, they will go to the enemy&#039; occurs to wizards only when the enemy is on the doorstep, so to speak.  Of course, it is perfectly possible that Dumbledore is using this argument because it is the one most likely to appeal to Fudge, who is the typical `dumb and blind politician&#039;, of the HP series.  

Actually, I thought that it was perfectly understandable that the giants send away Hagrid with a flea in his ear because they are remembered only during times of adversity.  There is no evidence that anyone tried to help the giants during the peaceful years between the two wars.  So - it is no wonder they chose to support Voldemort (for most part, anyway).

But I agree with you that the author is approaching the story keeping a larger perspective.  An excellent analysis and I must congratulate you on it.
Regards,
Maidros</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post, and you have covered the basic points perfectly.  My compliments on the job.  However, a few minor remarks maybe in order.</p>
<p>&#8220;Weâ€™ve already mentioned Voldemort and his belief about power. We can add to that his taking up Slytherinâ€™s crusade against Muggle-borns. The belief that only pureblood wizards should be accepted and valued is nothing short of an oppressive metanarrative, meant to destroy Muggles and Muggle-born wizards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Voldemort strikes me more as a power-hungry maniac, willing to do anything to gain power (There is only power and those too weak to seek it (Voldemort, PS)).  While his detestation of muggles is well-known, it is a daring bit of extrapolation to equate it to his desire to `wipe-out muggle-borns&#8217;.  I see him more akin to Timur-i-lang (Tamerlane), for whom the world and all its capacity existed only to boost the greater good (and glory) of Timur.  In fact, I seem to recall that the author made a remark about there being muggle-born Death Eaters (cannot find the post now, will try to find it).  However, the rabid antipathy of certain purebloods makes it easy for Voldemort to utilise that prejudice and exploit the fanatics as his power-base.  Then, we have him attacking Harry (the half-blood) and not Neville (the pureblood) for preference.  </p>
<p>Voldemort must be uncomfortably aware of his own half-blood status &#8211; and judging by Bella&#8217;s reaction in the DoM, she knows of it as well &#8211; and he is ruling over the purebloods only because they are afraid of him.  </p>
<p>Further, think of his followers.  Who follows Voldemort?  The corrupt (symbolised by Malfoys), the crazed (Bellatrix), and the cowardly (Pettigrew).  Given the diverse crowd at his disposal, we have to ask ourselves, how much of his desire is pure power-lust, and how much of it is ideologically driven.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rowling has been explicit in saying that the house-elf story is about slavery&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with this theory is that they are, in some cases at least, `happy slaves&#8217;.  Hogwarts elves throw out Hermione when she preaches the values of liberty to them (GoF).  While it is indeed laudable of Hermione to attempt to free them from their enslavement, the question is &#8211; can liberty be forcibly given to them?  Can they even keep it and will it be beneficial to them?  Further, once liberated, what becomes of house-elves?  Hermione does not seem to consider the latter point at all.  Naive idealism is unlikely to work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dumbledore entreated Fudge to â€œextend [the giants] the hand of friendship;â€ otherwise, â€œVoldemort will persuade them, as he did before, that he alone among wizards will give them their rights and their freedom!â€</p>
<p>There is a rather bitter irony here.  We know that the giants were banished during the previous war (Rita&#8217;s article, GoF) for supporting Voldemort.  Is there any evidence that Dumbledore (or anyone else, for that matter) wanted to end the banishment of the giants before the return of Voldemort?  We have no evidence of it.  In fact, the statement `if you do not help them, they will go to the enemy&#8217; occurs to wizards only when the enemy is on the doorstep, so to speak.  Of course, it is perfectly possible that Dumbledore is using this argument because it is the one most likely to appeal to Fudge, who is the typical `dumb and blind politician&#8217;, of the HP series.  </p>
<p>Actually, I thought that it was perfectly understandable that the giants send away Hagrid with a flea in his ear because they are remembered only during times of adversity.  There is no evidence that anyone tried to help the giants during the peaceful years between the two wars.  So &#8211; it is no wonder they chose to support Voldemort (for most part, anyway).</p>
<p>But I agree with you that the author is approaching the story keeping a larger perspective.  An excellent analysis and I must congratulate you on it.<br />
Regards,<br />
Maidros</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what can I say?  I agree with everything that&#039;s been said.  I think this is a wonderful thoughtful post.  Really brings out the theme of love being the most powerful magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what can I say?  I agree with everything that&#8217;s been said.  I think this is a wonderful thoughtful post.  Really brings out the theme of love being the most powerful magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;John&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for the link!  I&#039;ve tried to point my readers to your stuff on postmodernism and Harry Potter, &#039;cause it&#039;s really solid, well-written stuff.  I&#039;m considering proposing something along these lines for Prophecy 2007 (something with a different trajectory than &quot;Disney Does Derrida&quot;), and I&#039;ll probably be sending it over to you for review, if you can find time for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>John</strong>, thanks for the link!  I&#8217;ve tried to point my readers to your stuff on postmodernism and Harry Potter, &#8217;cause it&#8217;s really solid, well-written stuff.  I&#8217;m considering proposing something along these lines for Prophecy 2007 (something with a different trajectory than &#8220;Disney Does Derrida&#8221;), and I&#8217;ll probably be sending it over to you for review, if you can find time for it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Granger</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Granger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always Travis, I love your stuff - especially when it derives from our conversations early last summer on the old Hog Pro forums! If your readers want to read more about Harry Potter as Postmodern epic, I posted an introduction to it (via Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer) at http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=7#more-7. As you know, three chapters of &quot;Unlocking Harry Potter: Five Keys for the Serious Reader&quot; are devoted to unwrapping the topical quality of these books and Rowling&#039;s offering a &quot;metanarrative of love&quot; to transcend metanarratives of power and prejudice.

Again, wonderful post!

JOhn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always Travis, I love your stuff &#8211; especially when it derives from our conversations early last summer on the old Hog Pro forums! If your readers want to read more about Harry Potter as Postmodern epic, I posted an introduction to it (via Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer) at <a href="http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=7#more-7" rel="nofollow">http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=7#more-7</a>. As you know, three chapters of &#8220;Unlocking Harry Potter: Five Keys for the Serious Reader&#8221; are devoted to unwrapping the topical quality of these books and Rowling&#8217;s offering a &#8220;metanarrative of love&#8221; to transcend metanarratives of power and prejudice.</p>
<p>Again, wonderful post!</p>
<p>JOhn</p>
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		<title>By: taj</title>
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		<dc:creator>taj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, I&#039;ve been lurking here off and on for a while, but I have to take a moment and compliment you on this essay.  I&#039;m relatively new to the Harry Potter Universe, only having read all the books over last summer.  Ever since, I&#039;ve been drinking up anything that lends to an honest, critical examination of the books, especially from a Christian perspective.  The material you provide here in this essay speaks enough volumes that I feel unable to adequately articulate myself in response.  Great stuff.  And thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, I&#8217;ve been lurking here off and on for a while, but I have to take a moment and compliment you on this essay.  I&#8217;m relatively new to the Harry Potter Universe, only having read all the books over last summer.  Ever since, I&#8217;ve been drinking up anything that lends to an honest, critical examination of the books, especially from a Christian perspective.  The material you provide here in this essay speaks enough volumes that I feel unable to adequately articulate myself in response.  Great stuff.  And thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Snape, a repentant Death Eater&lt;/i&gt;

We&#039;ll see ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Snape, a repentant Death Eater</i></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see <img src='http://thehogshead.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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